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A Moderate Position On Abortion

Discussion in 'Health and Social Affairs' started by Heraclitus, Jan 13, 2018.

  1. OP
    Heraclitus

    Heraclitus Member Political Irish

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    Yes, there most certainly is is a moderate position.

    The idea that an embryo should be imbued with the same rights as you or I is Catholic Dogma. I happen to believe we can do better.
     
  2. The Potato Mystic

    The Potato Mystic Legend Political Irish

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    There's no moderate position pertaining to infanticide. It's a tyranny.

    When you have successful conception, you have a son/daughter, a human being on their first stage of development.

    That's a scientific reality that's independent of "Catholic dogma".
     
  3. OP
    Heraclitus

    Heraclitus Member Political Irish

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    Science doesn't make normative value judgements. You're confusing it with ethics.
    I've addressed this already.

    To use the example from my OP, would you run into a burning building to save an embryo in a test-tube?
     
  4. Myles O'Reilly

    Myles O'Reilly Legend Political Irish Donator

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    I think you're wrong there Potato man.

    Study this scenario:

    Your 14 year old daughter is coming home from her friend's house and is pulled into the bushes and raped by a hard-hittin', pipe-fittin' N!!gger. Do you as her father force that wee girl to bring that bastard to term?
     
  5. OP
    Heraclitus

    Heraclitus Member Political Irish

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    For fupp sake Myles Facepalm
     
  6. The Potato Mystic

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    I dunno. It's a very chaotic situation. I'm not sure how that's relevant to anything given the chaotic nature of such predicaments. We shouldn't make evaluations of people's worth based on instinct.
     
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    Heraclitus Member Political Irish

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    I think it's very relevant.
    If it was a child, I'm sure you'd be much more prepared to risk your life, as would most people.

    I think it's important to move the debate away from the world of platonic abstractions and towards concrete reality.

    Ethics is an evolving discourse. It's not black and white.
     
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    It may not be absolute, but it's still a recognised principle in law.
     
  9. The Potato Mystic

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    I won't make sweeping generalisations on the basis of superficial, outward appearance. Reality is getting to the essence of a thing. I'm big on reality.

    In any event, I would take measures to save as many human beings as is practical so that they can go onto live full lives. If I judge the fire is too intense I won't make the effort for anyone, lol. Embryo has become a dehumanising term but that's a human being and that's the reality of it.

    Nor can you evaluate a human being's worth on the basis of emotional spasms during emergency situations. That's why your thought experiment is very lacklustre.
     
  10. Myles O'Reilly

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    All their bluff and blunder goes out of them when you hit them with some real sh1t like that.

    They're all the same. Just endless waffle that in the end means nothing.
     
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    Heraclitus

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    Emotion is ultimately at the root of all moral value judgments.
     
  12. The Potato Mystic

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    You can conclude two things from my posts.

    I categorically oppose murdering innocent children.

    I ain't gonna participate in your interracial rape fantasies.
     
  13. The Potato Mystic

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    Emotion is illogical, incoherent and easily disturbed.

    Emotion needs to be subordinated by intellect and then things are accomplished.
     
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    There is no reason distinct from emotion.



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  15. Myles O'Reilly

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    Then you Sir are a disgrace. You'd force your sweet little girl to go to full term and give birth to an illegal Nigerian rapist's child.

    What an awful father you are.
     
  16. The Potato Mystic

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    Can you kindly stop badgering me with your sick interracial fantasies. Thanks.
     
  17. The Potato Mystic

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    Reality is not determined by our passions whether on a mass scale or an individual scale.
     
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    On the mass scale, morality could be described as a set of evolving tacit conventions. (which is how Steven Pinker describes language)

    On the level of the individual, morality could be described as a synergy between emotive value judgements and said conventions (which both feed into each other).

    I don't see how it could be any other way.
    And I've thought this through over and over. It is what it is.
     
  19. FUN da MENTALIST

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    give me some credit - i can read - and whos idea is it to put an embryo in a test-tube - wud u like to be in a test tube - i wudnt.
     
  20. FUN da MENTALIST

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    catholic dogma is believed by a lot of humans. also, are catholics the only ones who believe life is sacred from moment of conception?