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Ann Marie Waters forms new Party.

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I'm not in agreement with Nigel Farage on a lot of things but I believe that he is a very sincere and likable chap. Ann Marie Waters is an aggressive atheist of the types that make out on the other place that Alive! is integralist hate speech who is just pure negativity.


 

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I'm not in agreement with Nigel Farage on a lot of things but I believe that he is a very sincere and likable chap. Ann Marie Waters is an aggressive atheist of the types that make out on the other place that Alive! is integralist hate speech who is just pure negativity.

I don't really think she'll do any damage to UKIP. She has a totally different mindset to Farage and I think she wants something completely different to him. UKIP was never the right party for her.
 

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I wonder how she considers herself to be British - when she was born and reared in Dublin and has an Irish accent.
 
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I wonder how she considers herself to be British - when she was born and reared in Dublin and has an Irish accent.
Nick Griffin who I sometimes listen to because he is extremely intelligent and sometimes can be incredibly has accused her of being an "Irish Republican". I wonder what he meant by that. You still get people on the Right in England who will consider the Irish British and she is leading a British supposedly at least Nationalist Party, but does she actually consider herself British? I don't know. I did notice in the part of the speech I listened to that she kept referring to Britain and not to the "Home Nations" or "our family of Peoples".
 

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Nick Griffin who I sometimes listen to because he is extremely intelligent and sometimes can be incredibly has accused her of being an "Irish Republican". I wonder what he meant by that. You still get people on the Right in England who will consider the Irish British and she is leading a British supposedly at least Nationalist Party, but does she actually consider herself British? I don't know. I did notice in the part of the speech I listened to that she kept referring to Britain and not to the "Home Nations" or "our family of Peoples".

There's a quote on her wikipedia page saying she considers herself to be "passionately British." I see she's a lesbian too. Lesbians often have identity problems. But I'm just looking at that speech you posted - she doesn't come across as British at all. Farage is a true Brit. You couldn't even imagine him as anything else. Same for Nick Griffin. But this woman is actually alien to Englishness, which means she's alien to Britishness. But, maybe when she says she's British, she means it in the same way as a Pakistani woman would. Wouldn't that be ironic.
 
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I wonder how she considers herself to be British - when she was born and reared in Dublin and has an Irish accent.
What I wonder really is now that she has left UKIP will her wealthy Zionist backers continue supporting. That is the major question.

She is the total opposite of the Hiberno-English leader of the National Front over there in the 1980s (who was to be fair actually born and bred in England) who really didn't like homosexuals, was totally paranoid about Jews, was a devout Traditionalist Catholic and thought that England should look to Libya as it was at the time and the Islamic Republic of Ireland for models as well as having good things to say about Farrakhan.
 

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What I wonder really is now that she has left UKIP will her wealthy Zionist backers continue supporting. That is the major question.

She is the total opposite of the Hiberno-English leader of the National Front over there in the 1980s (who was to be fair actually born and bred in England) who really didn't like homosexuals, was totally paranoid about Jews, was a devout Traditionalist Catholic and thought that England should look to Libya as it was at the time and the Islamic Republic of Ireland for models as well as having good things to say about Farrakhan.

Who was that a chara?
 
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Who was that a chara?
Derek Holland. He was actually a very interesting man. He could be very extreme at times but he also had a positive vision drawing on the old Tory Socialists, Little Englanders and the early British ecologists. Her vision seems to be principally about secularism and consumerism.
 
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There's a quote on her wikipedia page saying she considers herself to be "passionately British." I see she's a lesbian too. Lesbians often have identity problems. But I'm just looking at that speech you posted - she doesn't come across as British at all. Farage is a true Brit. You couldn't even imagine him as anything else. Same for Nick Griffin. But this woman is actually alien to Englishness, which means she's alien to Britishness. But, maybe when she says she's British, she means it in the same way as a Pakistani woman would. Wouldn't that be ironic.
Well for all differences Ireland and England are part of the same wider Western Culture sphere. The thing they have both criticized her for, one more gently than the other, is my major problem with her- she is principally about being against something rather than for something (however I suspect her militant homosexualism goes hand in hand with her rabid Zionism/"Counter-Jihad" stuff.
 

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Well for all differences Ireland and England are part of the same wider Western Culture sphere. The thing they have both criticized her for, one more gently than the other, is my major problem with her- she is principally about being against something rather than for something (however I suspect her militant homosexualism goes hand in hand with her rabid Zionism/"Counter-Jihad" stuff.

All in all a very messed up character. The last thing the English actually need.
 

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Derek Holland. He was actually a very interesting man. He could be very extreme at times but he also had a positive vision drawing on the old Tory Socialists, Little Englanders and the early British ecologists. Her vision seems to be principally about secularism and consumerism.

I'm just listening to this interview with Holland - he sounds like a decent man. It's interesting that he went out of his way to credit Marx for influencing his ideas.

 
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I'm not in agreement with Nigel Farage on a lot of things but I believe that he is a very sincere and likable chap. Ann Marie Waters is an aggressive atheist of the types that make out on the other place that Alive! is integralist hate speech who is just pure negativity.


She is very articulate at describing the threat of Islam so more power to her in that regard. If she is a feminist and whatever else...then people like her need a party too. Establishment probably view her as more of threat because it is harder for them to paint an Irish, lesbian feminist with a law degree as a neo-nazi hooligan. The public just aren't going to buy it.

She is speaking at the Traditional Britain Conference this Saturday.

http://traditionalbritain.org/events/traditional-britain-conference-london-october-21st-2017/
 
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She is very articulate at describing the threat of Islam so more power to her in that regard. If she is a feminist and whatever else...then people like her need a party too. Establishment probably view her as more of threat because it is harder for them to paint an Irish, lesbian feminist with a law degree as a neo-nazi hooligan. The public just aren't going to buy it.

She is speaking at the Traditional Britain Conference this Saturday.

http://traditionalbritain.org/events/traditional-britain-conference-london-october-21st-2017/
She isn't though but she clueless about Islam in any real sense and so clueless about it's internal dynamics, differing forms, etc, etc so when someone who has been taken in by her spiel actually comes across an articulate Islamophile they go from thinking it is evil defined to thinking it constitutes no threat at all. Yes Islam is in her sights now but she has been involved before taking up this crusade she is on in the moment in Anti-Catholic activism in England.

Look the breakdown of the family and the fall of some many of her indigenous folk into vacuous short sighted and often nihilistic hedonism is a far bigger threat to England than Islam. Yet she sees this inherently as inherently "British". And no I'm not advocating for "White Sharia" or any craziness like that, but these problems need to be addressed.
 
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She isn't though but she clueless about Islam in any real sense and so clueless about it's internal dynamics, differing forms, etc, etc so when someone who has been taken in by her spiel actually comes across an articulate Islamophile they go from thinking it is evil defined to thinking it constitutes no threat at all. Yes Islam is in her sights now but she has been involved before taking up this crusade she is on in the moment in Anti-Catholic activism in England.

Look the breakdown of the family and the fall of some many of her indigenous folk into vacuous short sighted and often nihilistic hedonism is a far bigger threat to England than Islam. Yet she sees this inherently as inherently "British". And no I'm not advocating for "White Sharia" or any craziness like that, but these problems need to be addressed.
The nihilistic hedonism among European people can be fixed comparatively easily compared to the islamisation of Europe.
 
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The nihilistic hedonism among European people can be fixed comparatively easily compared to the islamisation of Europe.
You are kidding me? Really getting people to fundamentally change themselves both internally and externally can be fixed comparatively easily? Anyway what are her plans exactly to stop the Islamization of England? The Islamization of England, which is as much as thing as the Islamization of France can easily fixed to deporting the Pakistani community. Messy and not particularly nice but not incredibly difficult either. Her plan seems to be bullying the Muslim community into adopting contemporary trash British low culture; mass deportation would be more humane.

Also the Islamization of Europe is heavily tied into nihilistic hedonism among Europeans. In terms alone of demographics think about it.
 

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The nihilistic hedonism among European people can be fixed comparatively easily compared to the islamisation of Europe.

I think you're putting the cart before the horse there. The reason we are having this Islamization is precisely because Europeans have given themselves over to Liberal nihilistic hedonism. Europeans imagine young Muslims will do the work while they party.
 
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The big lesson in all these populist uprisings at least insofar as the Anglosphere is concerned is that you gotta be happy. You gotta have that Farage bounce. That impish sense of mischief.

She's joyless. She's got this frown permanently engraved on her face. She's the look of a doom n' gloom headmistress. She's the lesbianism of a concentration camp guard. That's the wrong lesbianism. That lesbianism doesn't win you sympathy.

When I think of her -- without meaning to have a go at her or anything because I'm sure she's a congenial person in the flesh -- the image pops into my head of Irma Gresse the infamous concentration camp guard.




That's not electable in any substantive way. Gotta have the Farage bounce to make any headway here.
 

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The bottom line is that Europe has to be cleansed of its nihilism. I don't say that Islam is the correct cure, but it's a cure. It seems that's what really upsets the likes of Ms. Waters.
 
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You are kidding me? Really getting people to fundamentally change themselves both internally and externally can be fixed comparatively easily? Anyway what are her plans exactly to stop the Islamization of England? The Islamization of England, which is as much as thing as the Islamization of France can easily fixed to deporting the Pakistani community. Messy and not particularly nice but not incredibly difficult either. Her plan seems to be bullying the Muslim community into adopting contemporary trash British low culture; mass deportation would be more humane.

Also the Islamization of Europe is heavily tied into nihilistic hedonism among Europeans. In terms alone of demographics think about it.
Deporting the Muslim community will not be easy and grows harder each day as their numbers increase.
Changing the behaviour of European people is comparatively easy compared to changing the demographics and in fact we see it changing naturally.
Say I was wealthy enough to control a large media empire...I could change the culture fairly easily. I could also make the repatriation of Muslims desirable but physically doing it? That won't be a walk in the park.
 
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Deporting the Muslim community will not be easy and grows harder each day as their numbers increase.
Changing the behaviour of European people is comparatively easy compared to changing the demographics and in fact we see it changing naturally.
Say I was wealthy enough to control a large media empire...I could change the culture fairly easily. I could also make the repatriation of Muslims desirable but physically doing it? That won't be a walk in the park.
It is easier to be weak than strong, it is easier to be evil than good, it is easier to be lazy than hard working, it is easier to be selfish than dutiful. As regards deportation I said the deportation of the Pakistani community which would deal with some of the worst trouble makers and could be done though yes it would be messy. The situation in the UK isn't the same as it is in France.

What are her plans to stop the Islamization of Britain?