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Ann Marie Waters forms new Party.

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Alex Jones is networked onto many different media companies. You have to regard him as one show - not a whole corporation. And as one show he is vulnerable. If he says anything that really upsets the elites they can cut him off immediately. And bear in mind that Europe is nothing like the USA. There is no actual right to free speech here at all. You saw how the EU elites were able to simply take Press TV off the satellites - even though Press TV wasn't really saying anything controversial at all.

And apart from all of that again, what we actually need here is a class war. You will not take the heads of the middle classes and the elites out of the gravy train of mass immigration - no matter what you do. You need working class organisation on the ground. No media will give you that.
 
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You can certainly get the stars to align and put the system under some duress with a coalition involving some business factions. It's not impossible. When the system becomes overheated it breaks into factions and channels of opportunity for genuine oppositional tendencies do arise. Not to win power exactly but to turn heads with values that partially oppose the system. Even that can be useful.

But for a genuine revitalisation of Europe, it's only going to come when the New Left ice age melts. If at all. If any of Europe is left.

And I think the age of interconnectivity, second by second social media reporting and a 24/7 news media would take hard power deportations off the table as a policy possibility. The public is far too squeamish for that.

 

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You can certainly get the stars to align and put the system under some duress with a coalition involving some business factions. It's not impossible. When the system becomes overheated it breaks into factions and channels of opportunity for genuine oppositional tendencies do arise. Not to win power exactly but to turn heads with values that partially oppose the system. Even that can be useful.

But for a genuine revitalisation of Europe, it's only going to come when the New Left ice age melts. If at all. If any of Europe is left.

And I think the age of interconnectivity, second by second social media reporting and a 24/7 news media would take hard power deportations off the table as a policy possibility. The public is far too squeamish for that.

You have to train the working class to become a lot less squeamish - about everything.
 
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There's a quote on her wikipedia page saying she considers herself to be "passionately British." I see she's a lesbian too. Lesbians often have identity problems. But I'm just looking at that speech you posted - she doesn't come across as British at all. Farage is a true Brit. You couldn't even imagine him as anything else. Same for Nick Griffin. But this woman is actually alien to Englishness, which means she's alien to Britishness. But, maybe when she says she's British, she means it in the same way as a Pakistani woman would. Wouldn't that be ironic.
Well what would abandoning "multi-culturalism" and encouraging people to embrace "British values" mean in the context of Northern Ireland? Stopping public funding for the GAA would be on the agenda. What about North Wales and the Highlands and Islands of Scotland both of which have very different cultures to the mainstream British one? I don't think the "Celtic fringe" comes unto her radar at all which with her being an Irish woman strongly suggests that she is a root less cosmopolitan.
 
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She isn't though but she clueless about Islam in any real sense and so clueless about it's internal dynamics, differing forms, etc, etc so when someone who has been taken in by her spiel actually comes across an articulate Islamophile they go from thinking it is evil defined to thinking it constitutes no threat at all. Yes Islam is in her sights now but she has been involved before taking up this crusade she is on in the moment in Anti-Catholic activism in England.

Look the breakdown of the family and the fall of some many of her indigenous folk into vacuous short sighted and often nihilistic hedonism is a far bigger threat to England than Islam. Yet she sees this inherently as inherently "British". And no I'm not advocating for "White Sharia" or any craziness like that, but these problems need to be addressed.
So If a burglar breaks into my home in the dead of night, I should muse his "internal dynamics" before confronting him?
 
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Alain De Benoist has actually argued that given how things stand now in France maybe allowing the Muslims to live under their own laws if they so choose in an ordered manner in their own neighbours such as the Ottoman Empire allowed with Christians and Jews maybe is the way forward.
Good idea. Get them all tightly packed into the one place.

 
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I though think that there does need to be regulation of Mosques and a ban on foreign funding of them. Some Muslims countries do the same way.
They should be offered incentives to return, voluntarily of course, to their lands of ethnic origin. At least to begin with.

A well funded NGO could get the ball rolling.
 
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So If a burglar breaks into my home in the dead of night, I should muse his "internal dynamics" before confronting him?
No but I'm not sure the analogy holds. Remember HMG invited the grand parents and great parents of a lot of UK Muslims, and I mean actually invited, because they saw them as not only a wage depressant but as a way of binding Commonwealth countries closer to the "Mother Country". Secondly any idea of unified British or English identity flows back to Christianity. One thing my mum in law and sister agree upon is that to be really British you have to be a Christian (my sister would go further and say that you have to be a Protestant as well, at least after one to many vodkas). Her crass Anti-Christian extremism not to mention trashy American consumerist ideology, considering she isn't British herself in the reckoning of most people on this forum (how well would arguments that the Irish are British go down here? Well Anglophile would like them but that is only because it would annoy Irish Republicans who doesn't like over there general support of Palestine), could easily for us who care about England make her seem as bad or not worse as some annoying Pakistani Sunni.
 
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No but I'm not sure the analogy holds. Remember HMG invited the grand parents and great parents of a lot of UK Muslims, and I mean actually invited, because they saw them as not only a wage depressant but as a way of binding Commonwealth countries closer to the "Mother Country". Secondly any idea of unified British or English identity flows back to Christianity. One thing my mum in law and sister agree upon is that to be really British you have to be a Christian (my sister would go further and say that you have to be a Protestant as well, at least after one to many vodkas). Her crass Anti-Christian extremism not to mention trashy American consumerist ideology, considering she isn't British herself in the reckoning of most people on this forum (how well would arguments that the Irish are British go down here? Well Anglophile would like them but that is only because it would annoy Irish Republicans who doesn't like over there general support of Palestine), could easily for us who care about England make her seem as bad or not worse as some annoying Pakistani Sunni.
The genealogy of the current mess is irrelevant. The current state of affairs is what we need to deal with.
Waxing philosophical about what is and isn't Irish/British/Western culture is a luxury for well fed pedants with too much time on their hands.

Culture, whatever its troughs and peaks, takes care of itself in the long run.
Intuitively, most people know what Western culture is without the need for pretentious dissection.
And they certainly know what it isn't.
 
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No, I've never had any run ins with Muslims. But that doesn't mean I want to live on a street full of them.
I'm for a blanket halt to immigration and yes I do think the Republic of Ireland has over recent years let certain Muslims it was pathologically insane to and who should be deported. However you seem to have it in for Muslims per se.
 
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I'm for a blanket halt to immigration and yes I do think the Republic of Ireland has over recent years let certain Muslims it was pathologically insane to and who should be deported. However you seem to have it in for Muslims per se.
They're the most salient threat. But I favour a tougher immigration, asylum and assimilation policy across the board.

As for those we should emulate, the Japanese have a good system . When it comes to assimilation, the Swiss, or at least their old system, was also quite sensible.
 

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She is very articulate at describing the threat of Islam so more power to her in that regard. If she is a feminist and whatever else...then people like her need a party too. Establishment probably view her as more of threat because it is harder for them to paint an Irish, lesbian feminist with a law degree as a neo-nazi hooligan. The public just aren't going to buy it. She is speaking at the Traditional Britain Conference this Saturday.
Traditional Britain Conference London, October 21st 2017 | Traditional Britain Group
Best of luck to her. I'm very impressed by this lady. Farage is a coward, very much afraid of some Sheite turning up on his driveway some morning and slitting his throat.
 

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They should be offered incentives to return, voluntarily of course, to their lands of ethnic origin. At least to begin with.

A well funded NGO could get the ball rolling.
That is already in place.
Ireland offers money for voluntary repatriation. There are few takers (mind you the Government does not advertise or push the offer enough)

Irish government to pay immigrants to go home
 
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That is already in place.
Ireland offers money for voluntary repatriation. There are few takers (mind you the Government does not advertise or push the offer enough)
That is interesting. Do you only get it under certain circumstances though (being caught breaking the law, long term unemployment, etc)? Was done as a sop to backbenchers concerned about mass immigration?

Given how they are continuing to let so many more in....
 

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That is interesting. Do you only get it under certain circumstances though (being caught breaking the law, long term unemployment, etc)? Was done as a sop to backbenchers concerned about mass immigration?

Given how they are continuing to let so many more in....
Sorry, i editted my post to include a link.
It happened in 2009, yet i never heard a single politician try to sell or market the idea.
They need to place ads online. The Spanish Socialist Govt also brought in a similar offer.
Their deal was that they got a lump sum (based on their previous taxes) and they had to sign an agreement excluding them from returning other than holidays, they were also to be removed from social welfare for x number of years.
Grants were also given for shipping furniture or valuable to home nation.
 
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Sorry, i editted my post to include a link.
It happened in 2009, yet i never heard a single politician try to sell or market the idea.
They need to place ads online. The Spanish Socialist Govt also brought in a similar offer.
Their deal was that they got a lump sum (based on their previous taxes) and they had to sign an agreement excluding them from returning other than holidays, they were also to be removed from social welfare for x number of years.
Grants were also given for shipping furniture or valuable to home nation.
But didn't the worst mass immigration happen after that under Shatter?
 

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Nick Griffin who I sometimes listen to because he is extremely intelligent and sometimes can be incredibly has accused her of being an "Irish Republican". I wonder what he meant by that.
Ya thought that was wondering- now wonder about this! :smilingimp:

Official National Front



From the right are Patrick Harrington, Nick Griffin and Ian Anderson, who were significant in shaping NF factions.

In the late 1980s the NF underwent a schism.

Harrington sided with the Political Soldier group that included Nick Griffin (subsequently leader of the British National Party) and Derek Holland.

This group eventually termed itself the Official National Front.

Harrington was a regular contributor to NF publications on a range of subjects, including providing research for an article that supported Ernst Z√ľndel.

The ideas of Harrington and his allies led to alienation of some NF supporters with the Flag Group splitting off to follow more traditional NF ideas.

Harrington was involved in one of the most notorious manifestations of these divisions in the 1989 Vauxhall by-election when, as a candidate, one of his opponents was Ted Budden of the Flag Group

In September 1988 the three men visited Libya as a guest of the Gaddafi government.

In November, the Political Soldier NF was the subject of a Channel 4documentary, Disciples of Chaos; interviewed for the programme,


Harrington refused to condemn the Irish Republican Army (IRA) as terrorists.


Here is Patrick Anthony Harrington , one time member of the communist youth wing, on the Falls road in Belfast at the IRA memorial.



The REAL BNP boss, Patrick (I do not support the IRA) Harrington , ex Communist youth.