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Are Zionism and the Alt-Right natural allies?

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I notice that one of the Jews over on the other place has put Lothrop Stoddard the American ideologue of eugenics and white supremacy who wrote hysterical books about the dangers of de-colonization in the 1920s in his avatar. It makes perfect sense to me that a Zionist Jew would admire such a man. Both the Alt-Right and Zionist Jews are highly ethno-centric, IQ fetishes and believe that inter-group relations are always a Hobbesian struggle and that this is basically a good thing. Consider also the rabid anti-Black racism in the Zionist colonial project and it becomes clear that Zionist Jews whatever they might say in the West aren't fond to put it mildly.

Now I know that Richard Spencer has become more anti-Jewish of late under the influence of Andrew Joyce who is an Ulster Scot who isn't hostile to Irish Nationalism but obsesses about Jewry in much the same manner as Cruimh and other TUV types obsesses about Catholicism. However just as the old Anti-NATO Right/Third Positionists saw Middle Eastern Baathists as natural allies I think that the natural ally of Zionism in the West isn't Evangelicals ("Christian Zionism" is in massive retreat).


 
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... Do you honestly believe that Zionist colonialism hasn't been a total disaster for the Palestinian people?
I in fact honestly believe on its own that it was fantastic for the Palestinian people. It resulted in the phenomenal increase and greater prosperity of the local Arab population. (As per link in my signature).

But the chief tragedy of ordinary Palestinian Arabs was the rise of radicalism, Amin Al-Husseini's vow to fight all Muslim seculars, his envisioning of a Pan-Islamic Empire, where Islamic law rules, and so on - Amin Al Husseini: Father of Jihad, Al Qaeda, Arafat, Saddam Hussein and the Muslim Brotherhood






... was what I said...
 
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roc_'s total denial of any universal code of ethics is truly staggering.
An enormous honour and compliment coming from your mouth. Now, you can go back to using the suffering and death of ordinary Palestinians to promote your anti-US imperialism, "anti-Zionist" propaganda purposes etc. I'll just leave you to it.
 
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I in fact honestly believe on its own that it was fantastic for the Palestinian people. It resulted in the phenomenal increase and greater prosperity of the local Arab population. (As per link in my signature).

But the chief tragedy of ordinary Palestinian Arabs was the rise of radicalism, Amin Al-Husseini's vow to fight all Muslim seculars, his envisioning of a Pan-Islamic Empire, where Islamic law rules, and so on - Amin Al Husseini: Father of Jihad, Al Qaeda, Arafat, Saddam Hussein and the Muslim Brotherhood


... was what I said...
You cannot honestly believe that Islam is the cause of Palestinian resentment towards Zionism given how the Zionists started ethnic cleansing on a serious level in the 1920s.
 
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You cannot honestly believe that Islam is the cause of Palestinian resentment towards Zionism given how the Zionists started ethnic cleansing on a serious level in the 1920s.
Always lies with you. Do you expect me to continue responding, wasting my time responding to such blatant lies?

Never mind the smear of "ethnic cleansing". Even if we look at the list of atrocities committed by one side against the other, we see that during the 1920's the atrocities were all on one side.

(And btw, the Mufti did not only incite against the Jews during this period. He also assassinated any secular Muslims who were not entirely loyal to him.)


 

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The truth is if out of the blue Israel nuked Ireland today killing a couple of million of us, roc_ - were he not among the dead - would find some long-winded way to try to justify it.

That's the mentality you're dealing with here. The mentality of a fanatical Zionist extremist!
 
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The truth is if out of the blue Israel nuked Ireland today killing a couple of million of us, roc_ - were he not among the dead - would find some long-winded way to try to justify it.

That's the mentality you're dealing with here. The mentality of a fanatical Zionist extremist!

Yes, That's what I mean about why zionism taken to the extreme is really terrifying.
 

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Now he's saying above that the charge of ethnic cleansing is a smear. He says this while knowing full well that Zionism as an ideology sought to replace the Palestinians with Jews.

Knowing full well that over 700,000 Palestinians were ethnically cleansed during the Nakba so that Israel would have an overwhelmingly Jewish population.

Knowing that every day Israel ethnically cleanse Palestinians from their homes in the occupied territories.

The whole Zionist colonial project is based on ethnic cleansing, yet he says it's a smear :rolleyes:

You just have to laugh at the brazenness of him really.
 
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Yes, That's what I mean about why zionism taken to the extreme is really terrifying.
The only other people I have come across who have exhibited roc_'s complete lack of empathy for the "Other" have been the Billy Wright fanboy type of Ulster Loyalist and Neo-Nazis, thankfully though both those groups have no real power and are regarded as basically evil psychopaths by society at large while as unfortunately people with roc's cold hearted mentality have nuclear weaponry at their finger tips.
 

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You cannot honestly believe that Islam is the cause of Palestinian resentment towards Zionism given how the Zionists started ethnic cleansing on a serious level in the 1920s.
Really
You just use phrases like ethnic cleansing and in your own mind it makes sense.
If Israel was attempting to do that then it would be the most unsuccessful ever given the growth in the Palestinian and Arab populations in the region.
 

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The only other people I have come across who have exhibited roc_'s complete lack of empathy for the "Other" have been the Billy Wright fanboy type of Ulster Loyalist and Neo-Nazis, thankfully though both those groups have no real power and are regarded as basically evil psychopaths by society at large while as unfortunately people with roc's cold hearted mentality have nuclear weaponry at their finger tips.
They would be s8milar to the BdS bit at least they didn't try to hide their violent side.
 
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roc_ just said on politics.i.e. that the Palestinians have greatly benefited from Zionist colonialism.
In the same way as the Brit's used to regard building railways for the stupid fuzzy-wuzzies as a great gift.

Or organising many disparate peoples into conglomerate nation states long before they were ready for such.
 
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Really
You just use phrases like ethnic cleansing and in your own mind it makes sense.
If Israel was attempting to do that then it would be the most unsuccessful ever given the growth in the Palestinian and Arab populations in the region.
You're right in the sense that Israel would not be allowed to take on a more comprehensive strategy of ethnic cleansing and still claim to be nominally Democratic.

So they are forced into this piecemeal approach, which leaves neither nation satisfied and which ultimately means the Palestinians will be successful.
 

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You're right in the sense that Israel would not be allowed to take on a more comprehensive strategy of ethnic cleansing and still claim to be nominally Democratic.

So they are forced into this piecemeal approach, which leaves neither nation satisfied and which ultimately means the Palestinians will be successful.
That's typical say nothing but blame Israel for your blandness.