There are three ethnic groups that make up the bulk of Presbyterians in the United States; the Koreans, the Dutch (though there are also "Dutch Reformed" denominations over there) and the Scotch Irish plus Scotch Scots so to speak. Of course the Dutch are by far the wealthiest, the Koreans are the most disciplined and Pious, and the poor old Scots are the best at music and well consuming alcohol (the Scotch Irish used to be infamous for drinking beer in the colonies during Church Services and no I'm not making that up). The thing is that over there you will be hard pressed to find any Black Presbyterians though there are some (mainly in the PCUSA which is the most "Liberal" group and not considered a proper Kirk by the rest because of their views on homosexualist marriage, etc). When I discovered this as a teen and asked about it I was told that the reason for this was that the Scotch Irish were to moral to own slaves (yeah right- sometimes I wonder whether people like amster wouldn't be better off enslaved to people of quality and it would supply some purpose to their existence). A Southern Presbyterian I befriended in a Paltalk chat room and whom I'm still in touch told me that the "negro" (his word!) was incapable of the intellectual rigors of Calvinism (he has calmed down since than), however one of the stereotypes of Black Africans which I have found to be true to at least some degree is that they have a tendency to fatalism which would fit in with a belief in Predestination very easily. Was it simply a case of the Scottish and Scotch Irish settlers being to poor to own slaves? Has anyone else come across this issue being discussed?