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Can a black person ever be Irish?

Discussion in 'Immigration & Refugees' started by Tadhg Gaelach, Jan 14, 2017.

  1. redstar

    redstar Well-Known Member Political Irish

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    this is the equivalent of someone using the Racist word in a post, we don`t know what happened but the Irish lass shouts to the Black girl that "they are illegal". Clearly something dodgy happened and the black girl would appear to be involved with something more with the Irish girl.
     
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    Plasticpaddy Posting Legend Political Irish

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    It was lucky for Eamon De Valera that he wasn't officially Irish classed as an American citizen they didn't shoot him.
     
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    Liam New Member Political Irish

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    From a genetic point of view only the irish can be irish. Tough crap for the paper irish.
     
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    Atlantean Irish Well-Known Member Political Irish

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    This is something I have addressed over the years seeing as it was used by Open-Border Extremists as one of their weaponised arguments to manipulate the Irish mind into thinking they are a non-entity, do not exist as a distinct ethnicity/culture and can be easily swopped and interchanged with any other ethnicity/culture.

    Except for some reason only Europeans don't exist and can be Nigerian one minute, Chinese the next and Martian the next. Only Africans and non-Europeans seem to be afforded respect, admiration and something akin to worship and acknowledgment of their humanity and that their ethnicity and ethnic origins or background are sacrosanct.

    Of course this trend also in accordance with the Charter on genocide showing that Europeans are being subjected to genocide as a result of the multicult policy being enacted upon them. Their ethnic character and origins are being denied them. This accords with that charter on genocide.

    The counter is this:
    Races differ due to genes. The White race and Black race have different genes which not only determine skin colour, but bone structure, intelligence, bio-chemistry, musculo-skeletal system, bio-medical chemistry. Different races are different far deeper than just skin. So indeed if you change a persons racial composition you are indeed changing the very fundamental genetics which they share with their ancestors or race for 1000s of years. The reason there are different ethnicities is precisely because they have genes common to them that mark them out as unique compared to another ethnicity, change that genetics and you have just stopped that person from belonging to that ethnicity or race.

    The child of mixed race, is no longer White. We know that to be White your parents and ancestors must be White. The most White racial peoples that exist are Western Europeans, as East Europeans have had some Mongol or Turkic blood in their admixture. With regard to the Irish - Irish are from the Western European genetic, that is to say, racial family tree. Our first origins are from that Western White racial people, similar to Brits, Germans, Danes, Dutch, Scandinavians, Belgians, White French, Spaniards and Italians etc. Later on our specific branch became more unique to us, with only a spattering of other Western Europeans being added every now again. That is, people who we were already from, already part of that family, added a very small amount in later waves. So nothing drastically new in terms of genes and culture was being added. While at the same time members of a family are still different from each other so too Irish are different to their closest relatives the Britons and other Western Europeans, but they are still immediate family members, whereas East Europeans are more distant relatives but Africans and other non-Europeans are completely outside our family and extended family and are genetic strangers altogether.

    This is just genetics based on the facts given in the above paragraph. To remain White you must have ONLY White genes, the child of White and Black is neither White nor Black but something else, and must be given a new name. You also say the child's Irishness lives on because the child is half Irish. What happens the child's other halfness? By logic it would make them have a half-Irishness which is not Irishness as to be Irish you have to have full Irishness, because that is what Irish are...Irish.

    So what is Irish?
    To be Irish you must have only W.European genes, as that is the family or pool of genetics our ancestors belong to, not African or East European. That is just a fact. One parent must have Irish DNA if the other has W. European.
    Thus to be Irish is to have Irish genetics first and then at the very least if one parent is not Irish, to have a parent that is Irish and the other West European, as that is the family of genes that Irish origins come from, are based in. Not any others, so that is the fundamental genetic criteria.

    Obviously that is the fundamental racial criteria and then on top of that is the added culture of the Irish, but the culture stems from the people who lived here for millenia change the people and eventually the culture changes in a way not in tune with the genes of that people or in a timeframe which is natural and sustainable and suits the continued existence of that ethnicity and culture.

    When mass-immigration was not an issue, it is far easier for the odd mixed-race to adopt the cultural norms of the native ethnicity they are born amongst, such as Phil Lynott and Paul McGrath. But if you increase the number then the diluting effect on the native ethnic people and their culture increases until you no longer have the native ethnic people, they have been effectively turned into something else.....this is genocide.
     
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  8. Plasticpaddy

    Plasticpaddy Posting Legend Political Irish

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    I think the short answer to the original question is yes if the person regardless of race loves Ireland.
     
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    If 1 billion Chinese who live in China love Ireland, does that make them Irish? The answer is no.

    "Plastic Paddies":
    Your profile name is "Plastic paddy". 'Plastic Paddy' is derogatively usually used to mean people of ethnic Irish stock who love Ireland but are ridiculed, mocked and derided as not being Irish.
    So if "Plastic Paddies" "love" Ireland, then according to your logic, that makes them Irish. Yet the term "Plastic Paddy" itself means a plastic Irishperson, a person who derided as not Irish. Your own profile name contradicts and debunks your own argument.

    There is also, whether you like it or not, the fact that races exist, ethnicities exist, this is a genetic ancestral characteristic. The Irish ethnicity exists due to genes, Irish did not come about from Chinese people and Africans coming here and mixing. Nor did Chinese ethnicity and culture derive from Western Europeans just loving or inhabiting China. The origin of both ethnicities and cultures originating from these ethnicities was due to there being indigenous racial inhabitants of these territories. To be either an Irish person or a Chinese person is first and foremost to have the genes of these ethnicities.
     
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    Question- can the old English planters and gentry in Ireland be Irish? No doubt you view them as such because they are white/European. So at the core of your ideology is an inherent racism. You don't want Africans etc. to be Irish purely because they are black!
     
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    The Old English Planters are not too genetically distant from Irish people to be able to blend into the population with altering it to any great extent. A lot of them have already interbred with the Native Gael.
     
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    Calm down dear,we all love those Chinese takeaways.
     
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    Plasticpaddy Posting Legend Political Irish

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    He needs to watch a bit more Father Ted ,might help him to lighten up a bit.
     
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    Atlantean Irish Well-Known Member Political Irish

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    My first reply answers this issue in detail.
    Can a black person ever be Irish?

    Oh, I see, so your first sentence was not actually a question genuinely asking for my opinion.
    An assumption and accusation on your part and a wrong one.

    Another assumption and bottom-barrel accusation when bereft of solid argument and based on your first false assumption, nothing based on fact in this reply here. Such is how lynch-mobs begin.

    Again my first reply answers this bankrupt position you have stooped to hold, the resort to accusation in order to manipulate reader sentiment, well done:
    Can a black person ever be Irish?
     
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    mikeo Well-Known Member Political Irish

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    BINGO!!!........:sisi1:sisi1:sisi1
     
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    There are blacks living in houses close to me, most of the time you'd never know it was blacks living there, they make sure the council keeps the place nice and clean, the place would be worse if it was travellers living there.
     
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    Judging by what you've said, you'd best keep your missus well clear of them.
     
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