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Catalonia

Discussion in 'Europe' started by Plasticpaddy, Oct 1, 2017.

  1. Plasticpaddy

    Plasticpaddy Member Political Irish

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    The Madrid government have made a huge mistake by banning the vote.They should allow the people to have their vote,just like the Scots had their vote.They have only strengthened the independence movement and now people will be sympathetic to the Catalans that want democracy.
     
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    Plasticpaddy Member Political Irish

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    Plasticpaddy Member Political Irish

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    Madrid have shot themselves in the foot by sending in the Madrid civil guards.We now see shocking totalitarian scenes.It shows that people should think twice before joining the police,because you become a state zombie and an enemy of the people,serving the rich and oppressing the people and suppressing democracy.The Spanish government should follow the UK's example and allow the referendum,as the Scots had their say so should the Catalans.The EU has been shown to be an ineffectual irrelevance as well.
     
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    FairstoodtheWind Member Political Irish

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    alternatively it also sows that joining the police provides those who love their country the opportunity to thump the heads of those who wish to wreck the country in the service of EU federalism and Soros globalism.
     
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    Plasticpaddy

    Plasticpaddy Member Political Irish

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    The independence movement in Catalonia has nothing to do with the EU,they are of no import,this idiotic move by Madrid will surely encourage the undecided to support independence.The UK showed the way by letting the Scottish people have their vote,that's all the Spanish government had to do.Their heavy handed response has made them look very stupid and barbaric.
     
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    Plasticpaddy

    Plasticpaddy Member Political Irish

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    Seems to me the people of Ireland should be having a vote as well.They should organise an all Ireland vote on a united Ireland,I'm sure the UK government will oblige,I mean how could they say no!
     
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    FairstoodtheWind Member Political Irish

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    the people of Ireland? who are the people of Ireland?
     
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    Plasticpaddy

    Plasticpaddy Member Political Irish

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    People eligible to vote living in the 32 counties of Ireland.
     
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    Plasticpaddy Member Political Irish

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    Disgusting behaviour by the Spanish police,the Catalans should be asking for compensation and justice.They should also consider blocking ports and roads between them and Spain.The Catalan Government should consider arming their citizens.Spain effectively invaded Catalonia.
     
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    kalipa44 Member Political Irish Donator Battle Royale

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    Breaking News

    Catalonia president Puigdemont says he is ready to declare independence as Spain deadline passes


     
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    kalipa44 Member Political Irish Donator Battle Royale

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    Spain to trigger direct rule over Catalonia as deadline passes
    Madrid says it will press ahead with suspending Catalan autonomy on Saturday after region’s president refuses to abandon secession plans
    Thursday 19 October 2017 09.42 BST

    The Spanish government is to suspend Catalonia’s autonomy and impose direct rule after the region’s president refused to abandon the push for independence that has pitched Spain into its worst political crisis for 40 years.
    The announcement of the unprecedented measure came after the Catalan president, Carles Puigdemont, threatened a unilateral declaration of independence if the Spanish government did not agree to talks on the issue.
    In a letter sent on Thursday morning to the Spanish prime minister, Mariano Rajoy, Puigdemont said talks were the only way to avert the crisis, as the deadline set by Madrid for the region to abandon its independence plans passed.
    The Catalan leader also accused the Spanish authorities of seeking to repress the independence movement after two of its leaders were denied bail by a national court judge earlier this week and said that using article 155 of the constitution to impose direct rule from Madrid would force his hand.

    “The suspension [of the independence declaration] is still in place,” he wrote. “The [Spanish] state is entitled to decide to apply article 155 if it secures the senate’s approval. But despite all our efforts and our desire for dialogue, the fact that the only reply we have been given is that autnonomy will be suspended suggests that you do not understand the problem and do not wish to talk......

    Spain to trigger direct rule over Catalonia as deadline passes
     
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  13. El Chaval.

    El Chaval. Member Political Irish

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    They should. Yes.
    But the GFA which Sinn Fein, FF and the other so called Nationalist parties prevents that.
     
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    El Chaval. Member Political Irish

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    Before October, Catalonia had huge autonomy.
    Their own police force, their own Parliament, their language was placed ahead of Spanish inthe school curriculum, their flag on every State building, Spanish flags removed by local councils, Spanish historical emblems removed.
    The Catalan Govt even passed a law decreeing that all movies shown in cinemas must be dubbed in Catalan (whether the private owner wanted to or not)

    Now, after October all thiscould be taken from them
     
  15. Toby Carlton-Hogge

    Toby Carlton-Hogge Member Political Irish

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    Hopefully it will - and why- greed -that's why and a bunch of trotters leading people on.

    Bit like Brexit actually.

    Bunch of no hopers got control due to laziness of those at the wheel.

    Look what happened.
     
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  16. Tadhg Gaelach

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    I suppose we have to remember that the Kingdom of Aragon was independent to the Kingdom of Castile and the union between the two always had quite a lot of tension. This became chronic during the Franco era. As an outsider, I find it difficult to see any difference between the two (unlike the Basque Country which really is a different country) but I'm sure they don't see it that way themselves.
     
  17. Toby Carlton-Hogge

    Toby Carlton-Hogge Member Political Irish

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    Good call there Timmy, a mhic.

    These jerks as you quite rightly say, think they can break up Spain.

    Hope they are taught a lesson.
     
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    Plasticpaddy

    Plasticpaddy Member Political Irish

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    Surely it's the Madrid government that needs to be taught a lesson,in democracy,we saw their police breaking the law and behaving like thugs.Now they are putting on Franco's boots,this stupid brutal behaviour will alienate the Catalans for generations and world opinion will be against Spain.
     
  19. El Chaval.

    El Chaval. Member Political Irish

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    Wanna see how the Catalan police treat Catalans in Barcelona?



    Plaza de Cataluña. 2011.
    Mossos vs Libtards.
     
  20. Toby Carlton-Hogge

    Toby Carlton-Hogge Member Political Irish

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    Nah mate,the lefties and trotters support the Catalans, all the want is unrest and anarchy.

    sensible people know that that jackass with the crows nests in top of his head is a bluffer and a tosser..

    Get in there and sort them out, I say.
     
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