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Catalonia

TheWexfordInn

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It's gone very quiet on BBC,ITV and SKY news about Catalonia,perhaps it's just not fashionable?
Cant believe they are bored with it already, it usually takes at least six months for the media to get bored of their latest newsworthy item before they decide its time to move on to the next new trendy news story.
 
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Cant believe they are bored with it already, it usually takes at least six months for the media to get bored of their latest newsworthy item before they decide its time to move on to the next new trendy news story.
I did see reports from Catalonia of disruption,on RT but not on the BBC or SKY.Both the beeb and sky seem to be bogged down with dreary domestic English politics.
 

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Looks like the vote has gone the wrong way for the Spanish government tonight.

Exit poll shows anti-independence party Ciutadans will have biggest party, but pro-independence parties will retain their majority.

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Catalonia has been to the polls in regional elections after its government was dissolved by Madrid, which declared the region's declaration of independence "illegal"
:: Ousted leader Carles Puigdemont is predicted to declare victory from Belgium where he placed himself in self-imposed exile
:: Polls closed at 8pm (7pm GMT)
:: Pro-separatist parties are predicted to maintain their majority, according to exit polls
:: Turnout is predicted at 82% - a record high which will beat 2015's regional election turnout of 63% by a long way
:: Although the Spanish government hopes the election will restore a sense of normality, many see it as a second chance for an independence bid

LIVE: Independence parties on course for Catalan win




So where do we go from here?
 

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Not quite sure what to make of the election results, yes it certainly has been a victory for the independence parties when it comes to seats won but the overall picture shows a majority backed unionist parties.

If a referendum were to be held the result wouldn't be based on seats it would be based on the popular vote, this is something the majority have shown to be unity with Spain in this election.

I don't see how the Independence movement have any claim to victory for the Catalonian Independence when over half the country have shown they don't support Independence.

Strange how the media are all hyping this up as some great victory for Independence when its clear and obvious the Independence movement has been put to bed as a majority of Catalonians do not support Independence.
 

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The secessionist parties defied consistent poll predictions of a hung parliament to secure an absolute majority of 70 seats out of 135, and 47.5 percent of the popular vote.

Meanwhile the unionist bloc took 57 seats, with 43.4 percent of the vote.


Catalonia’s pro-independence parties declare victory in critical regional election

Yes & No

They have a very slim majority however 8 of those MP's are in exile or jail so they will be unable to take their seats.

If a legal referendum were to be called it, based on these results it would show a majority of Catalonians would vote to remain part of Spain.

If this is a Victory for Independence its the most holo I've ever seen.
 
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Good to see Madrid and the monarchy being told where to go,shame the independence party doesn't want to leave the EU,but give it time.
 

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Good to see Madrid and the monarchy being told where to go,shame the independence party doesn't want to leave the EU,but give it time.
The problem with the independence party is that they are basing their agenda on what Catalonia wants and not the rest of Spain.

What they should do is declare themselves REpublicans and overthrow the monarchy and take over Madrid.

If they take Madrid by force like Franco did - they can claim independence for themselves but at that point I doubt they would want it.

If they don't side with the Fascists/Republicans (Irish) they can't reasonably defeat the monarchists/republicans (Spanish) in Madrid.
 
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The problem with the independence party is that they are basing their agenda on what Catalonia wants and not the rest of Spain.

What they should do is declare themselves REpublicans and overthrow the monarchy and take over Madrid.

If they take Madrid by force like Franco did - they can claim independence for themselves but at that point I doubt they would want it.

If they don't side with the Fascists/Republicans (Irish) they can't reasonably defeat the monarchists/republicans (Spanish) in Madrid.
The idea is to achieve independence peacefully,in a civilized democratic way.The Madrid government are showing themselves up by behaving in a stupid and barbaric way,this strengthens the Catalan cause.