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CC to spend 20 million on Papal Visit - Would that money not be better spent on fighting abortion?

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Sadly, it looks like the Pope will arrive too late to influence the abortion referendum. The Gombeen Régime made sure to get their dirty referendum in before His Holiness arrives in August. That being the case, his visit really won't serve any much purpose. If the Catholic Church in Ireland can get hold of 20 million euro, should it not be spending the money on defeating infanticide? Or could it be that these wealthy doners wouldn't give money to defeat abortion? These days, our a la carte Catholics are as likely to be in favour of mass child murder and homosexual "marriage" as not.

The Church is asking for donations to help pay for the Pope's visit to Ireland
 
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Sadly, it looks like the Pope will arrive too late to influence the abortion referendum. The Gombeen Régime made sure to get their dirty referendum in before His Holiness arrives in August. That being the case, his visit really won't serve any much purpose. If the Catholic Church in Ireland can get hold of 20 million euro, should it not be spending the money on defeating infanticide? Or could it be that these wealthy doners wouldn't give money to defeat abortion? These days, our a la carte Catholics are as likely to be in favour of mass child murder and homosexual "marraige" as not.

The Church is asking for donations to help pay for the Pope's visit to Ireland
I'm sure the Tánaiste and Papal Nuncio sat down and had a heart-to-heart and both agreed it would be better if Francis showed up after the referendum, so as not to trigger the pro-death crew and give the perception that the Vatican actually gave a damn.
 
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Sadly, it looks like the Pope will arrive too late to influence the abortion referendum. The Gombeen Régime made sure to get their dirty referendum in before His Holiness arrives in August. That being the case, his visit really won't serve any much purpose. If the Catholic Church in Ireland can get hold of 20 million euro, should it not be spending the money on defeating infanticide? Or could it be that these wealthy doners wouldn't give money to defeat abortion? These days, our a la carte Catholics are as likely to be in favour of mass child murder and homosexual "marraige" as not.

The Church is asking for donations to help pay for the Pope's visit to Ireland
This needs a thread in itself but....

WikiLeaks: Clinton, Obama, Soros Overthrew Pope Benedict In Vatican Coup

Anti-Pope Francis cannot be considered a valid Pope under the circumstances.
 

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I wouldn't go so far as to label him an anti-pope, but he is a horribly misguided, myopic and gullible pontiff. Check back with me later though, and I may be singing a different tune.
Francis is a Charlemagne prize winning genocidial maniac, he is no use to us...

Charlemagne Prize

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Charlemagne Prize
Awarded for Distinguished service on behalf of European unification
Location Aachen, Germany
Presented by Society for the Conferring of the International Charlemagne Prize of Aachen
First awarded May 1, 1950; 67 years ago
Website www.karlspreis.de


The mediaeval city seal of Aachenon which the design of the prize medal is based

The Charlemagne Prize (German: Karlspreis; full name originally Internationaler Karlspreis der Stadt Aachen, International Charlemagne Prize of the City of Aachen, since 1988 Internationaler Karlspreis zu Aachen, International Charlemagne Prize of Aachen) is a European prize. It has been awarded annually since 1950 by the German city of Aachen to people who contributed to the unity of Europe. It commemorates Charlemagne, ruler of the Frankish Empire and founder of what became the Holy Roman Empire, who resided and is buried at Aachen. Traditionally the award is given to the recipient on Ascension Day in a ceremony in the town hall of Aachen. In April 2008, the organisers of the Charlemagne Prize and the European Parliament jointly created a new European Charlemagne Youth Prize, which recognises contributions by young people towards the process of European integration.


Recipients[edit]

[LIST]
[*]1950
Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi
[*]1951
Hendrik Brugmans
[*]1952
Alcide de Gasperi
[*]1953
Jean Monnet
[*]1954
Konrad Adenauer
[*]1956
Sir Winston S. Churchill
[*]1957
Paul Henri Spaak
[*]1958
Robert Schuman
[*]1959
George C. Marshall
[*]1960
Joseph Bech
[*]1961
Walter Hallstein
[*]1963
Edward Heath
[*]1964
Antonio Segni
[*]1966
Jens Otto Krag
[*]1967
Joseph Luns
[*]1969
European Commission
[*]1970
François Seydoux de Clausonne
[*]1972
Roy Jenkins
[*]1973
Salvador de Madariaga
[*]1976
Leo Tindemans
[*]1977
Walter Scheel
[*]1978
Konstantinos Karamanlis
[*]1979
Emilio Colombo
[*]1981
Simone Veil
[*]1982
Juan Carlos of Spain
[*]1984
Karl Carstens
[*]1986
The People of Luxembourg
[*]1987
Henry Kissinger
[*]1988
Helmut Kohl and
François Mitterrand
[*]1989
Frère Roger
[*]1990
Gyula Horn
[*]1991
Václav Havel
[*]1992
Jacques Delors
[*]1993
Felipe González
[*]1994
Gro Harlem Brundtland
[*]1995
Franz Vranitzky
[*]1996
Beatrix of the Netherlands
[*]1997
Roman Herzog
[*]1998
Bronisław Geremek
[*]1999
Tony Blair
[*]2000
Bill Clinton
[*]2001
György Konrád
[*]2002
The Euro
[*]2003
Valéry Giscard d'Estaing
[*]2004
Pat Cox
[*]2004
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Pope St. John Paul II (extraordinary prize)
[*]2005
Carlo Azeglio Ciampi
[*]2006
Jean-Claude Juncker
[*]2007
Javier Solana
[*]2008
Angela Merkel
[*]2009
Andrea Riccardi
[*]2010
Donald Tusk
[*]2011
Jean-Claude Trichet
[*]2012
Wolfgang Schäuble
[*]2013
Dalia Grybauskaitė
[*]2014
Herman Van Rompuy
[*]2015
Martin Schulz[1]
[*]2016
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Pope Francis

[*]2017
Timothy Garton Ash
[*]2018
Emmanuel Macron
[/LIST]


After awarding the Charlemagne Prize 2015 to Martin Schulz, the celebrities met on stage at Aachen Katschhof. From left to right can be seen: Bernd Büttgens (official spokesman of the city of Aachen), Armin Laschet (Parliamentary group leader of the CDU in North Rhine-Westphalia), François Hollande (President of the French Republic), Martin Schulz (President of the European Parliament), Joachim Gauck (President of Germany), King Felipe VI (Head of state of Spain), Petro Poroshenko (President of Ukraine), Sauli Niinistö (President of Finland), Simonetta Sommaruga(President of the Swiss Confederation), Hannelore Kraft (Minister-President of North Rhine-Westphalia), Jürgen Linden (Speaker of the board of directors of the Charlemagne Prize of the city of Aachen).
 
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I wouldn't go so far as to label him an anti-pope, but he is a horribly misguided, myopic and gullible pontiff. Check back with me later though, and I may be singing a different tune.
If a Pope has been forced to resign by external forces he very much remains Pope and the resignation isn't regarded as valid under cannon law. I'm not sure Francis is gullible. I think it is probably safe to assume that he isn't otherwise he wouldn't have gotten where he is today.
 

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If a Pope has been forced to resign by external forces he very much remains Pope and the resignation isn't regarded as valid under canon law.
Although I have no doubt that the machinations of the Curia and Benedict's inability and frustration to break its back as well as the health problems brought on by that led to his resignation, I'd need palpable evidence to prove that there was more to it. That Wikileaks stuff intimates and conjectures mainly.

§2. If it happens that the Roman Pontiff resigns his office, it is required for validity that the resignation is made freely and properly manifested but not that it is accepted by anyone.

Code of Canon Law - IntraText

I'm not sure Francis is gullible. I think it is probably safe to assume that he isn't otherwise he wouldn't have gotten where he is today.
I politely disagree. Francis is a ringer, a useful idiot and failed his way upward. There's not a Machiavellian bone in his body. The Curia rule the roost and he's their fair-haired boy (bald pate notwithstanding).
 
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CC to spend 20 million on Papal Visit - Would that money not be better spent on fighting abortion?
I'd rather we confiscated the 20 million in lieu of CC abuse compensation claims paid out by the state
and used it to build more secular schools so we can phase out all these religious cancers from
our society
 
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I'd rather we confiscated the 20 million in lieu of CC abuse compensation claims paid out by the state
and used it to build more secular schools so we can phase out all these religious cancers from
our society

Do you realise that most of the children abused were in state "care." Why should the state not pay compensation for its criminal negligence?
 
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Do you realise that most of the children abused were in state "care." Why should the state not pay compensation for its criminal negligence?
I know two wee children who were farmed out to the privatised foster care industry at the expense of the taxpayer. They were treated as instruments for monetary gain by their foster care abusers. Why does none of this go to the government for blame? RTE have the brass ball to take a license fee from their victims.
 
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If a Pope has been forced to resign by external forces he very much remains Pope and the resignation isn't regarded as valid under cannon law. I'm not sure Francis is gullible. I think it is probably safe to assume that he isn't otherwise he wouldn't have gotten where he is today.
I fully agree. Benedict is my Pope. The papacy stands strong in the face of this usurper.
 
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I know two wee children who were farmed out to the privatised foster care industry at the expense of the taxpayer. They were treated as instruments for monetary gain by their foster care abusers. Why does none of this go to the government for blame? RTE have the brass ball to take a license fee from their victims.

Sadly, the CC conspired with the state. A dirty deal was done to keep the truth unspoken. The state paid most of the compensation - in return for the Church accepting all the blame.