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Poll Do You Support The People Of Palestine?

Do You Support The People Of Palestine or Israel?

  • Palestine

    Votes: 61 42.7%
  • Israel

    Votes: 40 28.0%
  • Neither

    Votes: 18 12.6%
  • Both

    Votes: 24 16.8%

  • Total voters
    143
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SwordOfStCatherine

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It is a possibility that the OIC countries will win the information war, succeed in their propaganda and law-fare, and no more money or weapons will be forthcoming from the US, and they will be isolated and so on. But Israel's nukes are there for precisely that eventuality. No one else has any claim over those nukes, and they depend on nobody for them. When world Jewry said, "never again", they were deadly serious. What did you think their nukes were for? Why did they not involve the US or anybody else in their acquisition? They intend to fight to the bitter end this time around, enduring in their homeland.
The Jewish people will endure to the End of this Age and until than what is referred to as Jewish question is unsolvable. No human power, not even that of Jewry itself can prevent the Jewish people's continual existence until the Escathon. Very near the End, or just at the End or even with the End itself all Jewry will be converted to Hashem Incarnate.
 
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The Jewish people will endure to the End of this Age and until than what is referred to as Jewish question is unsolvable. No human power, not even that of Jewry itself can prevent the Jewish people's continual existence until the Escathon. Very near the End, or just at the End or even with the End itself all Jewry will be converted to Hashem Incarnate.
I think with the advent of the internet and the communications revolution, antisemitism has the potential to acheive a mass spiritual force many, many times greater than what it acheived in the 1930's.
 

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The Jewish people will endure to the End of this Age and until than what is referred to as Jewish question is unsolvable. No human power, not even that of Jewry itself can prevent the Jewish people's continual existence until the Escathon. Very near the End, or just at the End or even with the End itself all Jewry will be converted to Hashem Incarnate.


:rolleyes:
 
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Thaddeus

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... Very near the End, or just at the End or even with the End itself all Jewry will be converted to Hashem Incarnate.
I typed that phrase hashem incarnate into Google to see what you meant, and found you previously wrote:

... Jews have a tendency given that unlike the Germans which explains in part Hitler's pathological hatred of them were meant to be a master race (though they forfeited their right to rule by rejecting and murdering Hashem Incarnate) easily rise to positions of extreme power and wealth in Goyish societies and once they have those often act against the interests of the general good...

So even though they "rejected and murdered" Christ, you still expect them to be rewarded in heaven rather than face an earthly retribution for what they did?

Well it certainly doesn't sound like you personally would wish them well. Perhaps though you would take some satisfaction at an apocalyptic imposition of a dogma not of their own choosing upon them.
 
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Here's one for Setantawatchl (and roc_, now calling himself Thaddeus).

From John Kerry, who knows what's what:

In recording, John Kerry says Israeli government doesn’t wan’t peace

"Former US secretary of state John Kerry blamed the Israeli government’s resistance to the establishment of a Palestinian state for harming the prospects of a peace deal, while warning Israel could face a future violent Palestinian uprising of there was no progress in peace talks.

In recordings published Tuesday by Channel 10, America’s former top diplomat can be heard praising the Palestinian Authority’s commitment to nonviolence following a wave of terror attacks beginning in the fall of 2015, which he said has been ignored by Israelis due to right-wing configuration of the current government.

“The Palestinians have done an extraordinary job of remaining committed to nonviolence. And in fact when the [knife] intifada took place they delivered non-violence in the West Bank,” Kerry is heard saying in the recording.

“This is overlooked by the general [Israeli] population because it is not a topic of discussion. Why? Because the majority of the cabinet currently in the current Israeli government has publicly declared they are not ever for a Palestinian state,” he adds.

Channel 10 said the recording was made at a conference in Dubai in the past year attended by Middle East leaders and Israel’s Joint (Arab) List chief Ayman Odeh. The television channel also said opposition leader Isaac Herzog (Zionist Union) addressed the conference by video.

It was not clear if Kerry was aware he was being recorded or if the segments released were his full remarks.

Kerry warned in the recording that frustrations among Palestinians could boil over into violence and that the current status quo cannot last.

“If you see 40,000 kids marching up to the wall everyday with signs saying ‘give us are rights,’ I mean, I don’t think Palestine is going to be immune forever to the civil rights movements that have swept other nations in the world,” he says.

Despite this, Kerry said Israel is ignoring the threat posed by the diplomatic stalemate. “That is not leadership,” says Kerry.

“If you don’t have leaders who don’t want to make peace, if the equation doesn’t change, I’ll be amazed if within the next 10 years if we don’t see some young [Palestinian] leader come along who says we have tried non-violence for the last 30 years and look, it hasn’t gotten us anything,” he says.

In light of the lack of peace prospects, Kerry says in the recording that Herzog may present Israel’s best hope for reaching a deal with the Palestinians. He also praised a number of former Israeli leaders, saying their examples should be followed in pursuing negotiations. Herzog has since lost the leadership of his party to Avi Gabbay.

“You gotta have a willingness to make peace. If there is a willingness to make peace — [Ehud] Olmert, [Ehud] Barak, [Yitzhak] Rabin, [Shimon] Peres — people indicated how you do it,” Kerry says.

Kerry also detailed a number of steps taken to ensure Israel’s security following the establishment of a Palestinian state, which he said included King Abdullah of Jordan’s agreement to host Israeli troops at an airport in the kindom and the “pre-deployment of weapons” in the West Bank. He also says in the recording Israel would have the right to respond to threats in the West Bank within minutes if the Palestinians failed to act.

In response to the recordings, the Prime Minister’s Office told Channel 10 Netanyahu would continue to safeguard Israel’s security and national interests, regardless of any pressure by “those who tried to prod [Israel] to make dangerous concessions and failed.”

It also placed the blame for the impasse in peace talks on the Palestinians “refusal to recognize Israel within any borders.”

“It is unfortunate John Kerry still doesn’t get this,” the PMO said.

Beginning in 2013, Kerry led a major round of peace talks, which ultimately collapsed in April 2014. The Palestinians in part blamed Israeli settlement construction for the failure of the negotiations, while Israel slammed the PA President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party for agreeing to a reconciliation deal with the Hamas terror group.

Despite the failure, Kerry again tried to revive negotiations, proposing a regional peace plan for the renewal of negotiations toward a two-state solution and recognition of Israel as a Jewish state last year that culminated in a secret meeting on February 21, 2016, between Netanyahu, Kerry, Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi and Jordan’s King Abdullah, the Haaretz daily reported in February.

The proposal, however, was rejected by Netanyahu.

Prior to leaving his post, Kerry gave a speech outlining his vision for future peace talks in which he excoriated Israel over its settlement policies, saying they endangered they endanger the possibility of reaching a two-state solution."
 
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Here's one for Setantawatchl (and roc_, now calling himself Thaddeus).

From John Kerry, who knows what's what:

In recording, John Kerry says Israeli government doesn’t wan’t peace

"Former US secretary of state John Kerry blamed the Israeli government’s resistance to the establishment of a Palestinian state for harming the prospects of a peace deal, while warning Israel could face a future violent Palestinian uprising of there was no progress in peace talks.

In recordings published Tuesday by Channel 10, America’s former top diplomat can be heard praising the Palestinian Authority’s commitment to nonviolence following a wave of terror attacks beginning in the fall of 2015, which he said has been ignored by Israelis due to right-wing configuration of the current government.

“The Palestinians have done an extraordinary job of remaining committed to nonviolence. And in fact when the [knife] intifada took place they delivered non-violence in the West Bank,” Kerry is heard saying in the recording.

“This is overlooked by the general [Israeli] population because it is not a topic of discussion. Why? Because the majority of the cabinet currently in the current Israeli government has publicly declared they are not ever for a Palestinian state,” he adds.

Channel 10 said the recording was made at a conference in Dubai in the past year attended by Middle East leaders and Israel’s Joint (Arab) List chief Ayman Odeh. The television channel also said opposition leader Isaac Herzog (Zionist Union) addressed the conference by video.

It was not clear if Kerry was aware he was being recorded or if the segments released were his full remarks.

Kerry warned in the recording that frustrations among Palestinians could boil over into violence and that the current status quo cannot last.

“If you see 40,000 kids marching up to the wall everyday with signs saying ‘give us are rights,’ I mean, I don’t think Palestine is going to be immune forever to the civil rights movements that have swept other nations in the world,” he says.

Despite this, Kerry said Israel is ignoring the threat posed by the diplomatic stalemate. “That is not leadership,” says Kerry.

“If you don’t have leaders who don’t want to make peace, if the equation doesn’t change, I’ll be amazed if within the next 10 years if we don’t see some young [Palestinian] leader come along who says we have tried non-violence for the last 30 years and look, it hasn’t gotten us anything,” he says.

In light of the lack of peace prospects, Kerry says in the recording that Herzog may present Israel’s best hope for reaching a deal with the Palestinians. He also praised a number of former Israeli leaders, saying their examples should be followed in pursuing negotiations. Herzog has since lost the leadership of his party to Avi Gabbay.

“You gotta have a willingness to make peace. If there is a willingness to make peace — [Ehud] Olmert, [Ehud] Barak, [Yitzhak] Rabin, [Shimon] Peres — people indicated how you do it,” Kerry says.

Kerry also detailed a number of steps taken to ensure Israel’s security following the establishment of a Palestinian state, which he said included King Abdullah of Jordan’s agreement to host Israeli troops at an airport in the kindom and the “pre-deployment of weapons” in the West Bank. He also says in the recording Israel would have the right to respond to threats in the West Bank within minutes if the Palestinians failed to act.

In response to the recordings, the Prime Minister’s Office told Channel 10 Netanyahu would continue to safeguard Israel’s security and national interests, regardless of any pressure by “those who tried to prod [Israel] to make dangerous concessions and failed.”

It also placed the blame for the impasse in peace talks on the Palestinians “refusal to recognize Israel within any borders.”

“It is unfortunate John Kerry still doesn’t get this,” the PMO said.

Beginning in 2013, Kerry led a major round of peace talks, which ultimately collapsed in April 2014. The Palestinians in part blamed Israeli settlement construction for the failure of the negotiations, while Israel slammed the PA President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party for agreeing to a reconciliation deal with the Hamas terror group.

Despite the failure, Kerry again tried to revive negotiations, proposing a regional peace plan for the renewal of negotiations toward a two-state solution and recognition of Israel as a Jewish state last year that culminated in a secret meeting on February 21, 2016, between Netanyahu, Kerry, Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi and Jordan’s King Abdullah, the Haaretz daily reported in February.

The proposal, however, was rejected by Netanyahu.

Prior to leaving his post, Kerry gave a speech outlining his vision for future peace talks in which he excoriated Israel over its settlement policies, saying they endangered they endanger the possibility of reaching a two-state solution."
Actually
Did you read the whole thing through.....?
Thought not.
 

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So even though they "rejected and murdered" Christ, you still expect them to be rewarded in heaven rather than face an earthly retribution for what they did?

Well it certainly doesn't sound like you personally would wish them well. Perhaps though you would take some satisfaction at an apocalyptic imposition of a dogma not of their own choosing upon them.
Oh roc_ hunny bunny (I with giggles that you have adopted as your nomme de guerre there the name of the Patron Saint of hopeless cases), look when I was a Prod I would happily say who I thought was in hell on an often individual basis and now I kick myself over the sheer presumptuousness of that. We know from the Bible most people will not be saved. That is all I will say on such matters.

Now as to forced conversions I'm against such on principle. If I was in charge of a State I would grant the Jews Religious Liberty however parts of the Talmud would have to be censored and if anyone was caught practicing Kabbalahistic magic (which the Torah expressly forbids) than it is straight to the stake with them. You and all Jews are most dear to me for the sake of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob even if you are enemies for the sake of the Gospel of Christ.

I hope that clears up matters.
 

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Have you answered those 2 questions I asked you ?

Why do you refuse to debate properly ?

Earth to Kalipa - no one has granted you quizmaster status.....

You've tried for years - but I've better things to do.

You never answer any questions yourself, in any event.:rolleyes:

Up on the high horse immediately!!!:smiley:
 

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Earth to Kalipa - no one has granted you quizmaster status.....

You've tried for years - but I've better things to do.

You
never answer any questions yourself, in any event.:rolleyes:

Up on the high horse immediately!!!:smiley:

This is not about me.

You lie. I always try to answer questions I'm asked unless they are trolling nonsense.

I don't even know why you are here because it's certainly not to have a discussion about anything. If you want to just spread propaganda why don't you get a sandwich board and stand on a street corner someplace.
Or take up gardening or something because forums are not for you and you don't seem to have anything better to do .

Just a few helpful suggestions for you . No need to thank me :thumbup:
 

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This is not about me.

You lie. I always try to answer questions I'm asked unless they are trolling nonsense.

I don't even know why you are here because it's certainly not to have a discussion about anything. If you want to just spread propaganda why don't you get a sandwich board and stand on a street corner someplace.
Or take up gardening or something because forums are not for you and you don't seem to have anything better to do .

Just a few helpful suggestions for you . No need to thank me :thumbup:
That's consistant banish or boycott