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FF wants 5 year sentence for spreading "Fake News"

Discussion in 'Media' started by jmcc, Dec 4, 2017.

  1. jmcc

    jmcc Member Political Irish

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    Seems that FF wants a five year sentence for spreading fake news under legislation it is proposing to the Dail:

    Five years in jail for spreading 'fake news' under FF proposal - Independent.ie

    So is "the boom is getting boomier" fake news?
    So is "the fundamentals are sound" fake news?
    So is "won it on the horses" fake news?

    It is not just Facebook or Twitter that are targeted:
    "For the purposes of the law, 'online platforms' will be defined as any website, including social networks or search engines, which has more than 10,000 unique monthly visitors."

    That would make Boards.ie, P.ie and PI vulnerable to this online censorship attempt by FF.
     
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  2. SwordOfStCatherine

    SwordOfStCatherine Legend Battle Royale Political Irish

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    Sinister move on their part. How likely are Fine Gael to support this move?
     
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    jmcc

    jmcc Member Political Irish

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    Wouldn't be surprising to see FG collaborating over this. Any popular blog would also be hit.
     
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    Typical, Did I not read the other day that FF also wants to give funding to media outlets like the Irish Times because they are afraid they may disappear because of social media,

    Looks like FF are preparing for government, and this time nobody better say anything bad about them!
     
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    The only issue FG have is that they never thought of it first.
     
  6. Irish Warrior

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    This is coming from Europe, Germany in particular. Merkel wants back door access to personal computers, mobile phones and car computers. All this coupled with the new EU army and we're all in the shit. Who's the fascists now? Nazi's 2.0!
     
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  7. Tadhg Gaelach

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    The more of this crapology out of Leinster House the better. I love watching this Gombeen Régime work so hard to dig its own grave.

    Fianna Fáil Gombeen wants state funding for Irish Times and Indo to combat Social Media
     
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  8. Antóin Mac Comháin

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    I would hazard a guess that Fianna Fáil, ironically, and Fine Gael would/will be the biggest losers, if the right to post anonymously is removed by the State. Gosh, I think the majority of them FF & FG Bots would/will die with the shame if their real identities on sites like Boards/Pie/PI over the course of the past fifteen years are ever revealed. Pie has been on the go for nearly fifteen years? I would imagine that a large number of young career politicians have posted there on and off, during that period, and one can only guess at how often and how repetitive their naughty behavior has been. Personally speaking, I don't get the logic to posting anonymously on political forums, because I think it defeats the purpose and blunts the blades, so to speak. However, I can understand why other people choose to do so.

    'Criticism of my Twitter ridiculous' - Taoiseach says opponents are 'terrified' of modern communications

    @ Campaignforleo

    @ Ireland/Scotland loads in common

    @ Really enjoyed meeting and speaking to so many young women at #FemFest #FutureLeaders

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    - FG leader storm after 'Coloured people' joke

    - Barry Walsh resigns from Fine Gael executive council

    -John Taylor apologises for referring to Leo Varadkar as 'the Indian'



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    'The familiy of Patrice Lumumba, the assassinated first Prime Minister of Congo, have demanded an apology from the Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny, who called the revered African liberation hero a 'Coloured people' in a racist joke.'

    I dunno.. I thought of Enda Kenny's *Joke* about Patrice Lumumba, when I first read that John Taylor had referred to him as the Indian, for the simple reason that in Taylor's mind, Varadkar would look like an insincere bumbling idiot, for denouncing inappropriate language online.

    The Irish National Party come from the same gene-pool as Fine Gael, and Seamus Treanor makes a clear distinction in his classifications of Indians, Syrians and what he refers to as the Darkies. Couple with that, the INP also have a Guarda Officer as a member, albeit a so-called *whistle-blower*. The problem here for me, is that the State are acting as the Government, the Law and the Media, all at the same time. Taken ment to its logical conclusion that means that FG could Tweet one day that they have lowered Unemployment levels down to 6%, and the next day, Tweet that 1.2 million people collected the X'mas bonus. By those estimations, Ireland would have a workforce of 15-16 million. The only other conclusion is that we have a workforce of 2 million and 60% of them qualified for Welfare Assistance.

    "Evidence suggests that an army of fake social media accounts is being amassed to disrupt the democratic process in the future, with journalists and prominent public figures highlighting an upsurge in the number of dubious accounts following them on social media platforms. The proposed law states that any person who knowingly uses a bot, or causes a bot to be used, in such a way as to cause multiple online profiles to act in a political way, will be guilty of an offence.''.. Taoiseach's 'Department of Spin' will cost €5 million in 2018 How many Bots can be bought and sold for €5 million? A small army.
     
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    jmcc

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    The real problem for FF/FG/Lab etc is a lack of trust and that has spread to their cronies in the media. Newspaper sales have been falling and fewer people watch TV at the times programmes are broadcast. The use of digital video recorders or the "time shifting" that started when VCRs became available has changed the TV broadcast model.

    The newspapers made a fatal decision in the 1990s to concentrate on commentary rather than news. Comment is cheap and it doesn't require the hard work of real journalism. As the Internet and Web grew, it provided a means for people to publish their own comments and opinions. And with that, a central plank of the print industry collapsed.

    The other factor in the decline of the newspaper business is the reliance on press releases. Many "journalists" are now more churnalist than journalist. The same press releases are generally available on the web so there's no reason to read it in newspapers again. Google announced a while back that it would fund bots to generate news content.

    The Web also changed the advertising model for newspapers. Before the Web became popular, advertisers had to buy pages of advertising in print publications and they didn't know which adverts were successful. In 2003, Google launched its Adsense advertising service. The difference was that advertisers only paid when a customer clicked the advertisement.

    The whole way of how news is "consumed" has changed. Previously it was watching it on TV, listening to radio or reading a newspaper. There's a generation coming up that do not buy a daily newspaper. The model has changed from a Push model (where the consumer had no choice but to buy a newspaper and then choose what to read) to a Pull model where the consumer rather than the publisher decides what to read on a per article basis. TV faces massive competition from other sources and has had to adapt with its own streaming services. Radio is also having trouble adapting. The classic example would be the Tonight with the Two Dinnies. Fewer people read their newspaper articles, fewer listen to their radio shows so the stunted thinking of some genius in Irish media was to put these people on TV with their own show. It is sinking fast and not getting the popularity and loyalty of the Vincent Browne show.

    The gombeen element in politics now finds it far more difficult to control the message when people have choice. When people have choices, voting patterns change. And when that happens, politicians lose their jobs. No wonder Social Media scares the Hell out of them.
     
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    In by the back door this time?

    Sneaky Germans

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  12. GodsDog

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    Last time tanks
    this time banks! :D
     
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    Dave Cullen covered it

     
  14. Tony

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    That James Lawless is some sad bastard.
     
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    The people need to march to the Dail and drag all these scumbags out by the neck. PC snowflake morons cannot run a country correctly!
     
  17. Antóin Mac Comháin

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    @ campaignforleo Nov 14 'Confirmed today in the Dáil that a former RUC officer will be appointed to the rank of superintendent in the Gardai.'

    A grave is being dug, but for whose corpse?

    It's a two-horse race between Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil to become the Southern Ulster Unionist Party, and one of them is going to win, and the other one is going to lose.

    Only a fool would underestimate the ability of both Fine Gael and the DUP to adopt and change over the next decade, perhaps sooner rather than later, to such an extent that they become a match-made-in-heaven, even within the context of a United Ireland, and in this instance when I refer to a UI, I'm talking about Cross-Border institutions and, or, extensions to the British-Irish Council, with the bottom-line being London still having a foot-in-the-door at several levels, as opposed to a United Ireland in the context of the re-establishment of the historic Irish Republic of 1916 and an Irish National Parliament with TD's elected from the four corners of Ireland, with London having Zero input into the political affairs of Ireland.

    A FF/SF a merger wouldn't automatically guarantee a Nationalist majority throughout Ireland, and I mean Nationalist in this instance to mean Pro-Independent 32 County Republic. A resurgent Labour Party-SDLP-Social Democrats-AAA-Socialist Party of Great Britain and Ireland, would have the numbers to maintain a union with London, as coalition partners for the DUP-Fine Gael, and that is one reason why Irish Socialist Republicans have made Alliances with the wrong people.

    There's *Reaching Out* and there's *Reaching Out*, but the only way to read the above Statement by Varadkar is that *the past is in the past*, and *bygones are bygones*, and the inquests and inquiries into Collusion between the RUC/PSNI and the Loyalist Death Squads, have been brought to a conclusion. Swift, but not exact, insofar as success can be measured in securing apologies and convictions for war crimes committed against an unarmed civilian population by the administration in London. Normalization how are ya?

    Leo comes from a generation who have been spoofed *British Army Good Guys, IRA Bad Guys.* In their minds, Bloody Sunday was a bad day at the office for the British Army, and Dublin and Monoghan was carried out by *Rogue-elements.* The idea that a Solicitor like Rosemary Nelson was killed by the British State, after the Good Friday Agreement, simply doesn't compute with these people. If the idea did compute, Varadkar would not have promoted one of the potential collaborators in the murder of Rosemary Nelson to the rank of superintendent.
     
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