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Has the US foreign policy shifted focus? : Thomas P. M. Barnetts "Brave new world" of sh*t"

Discussion in 'Foreign Affairs' started by GodsDog, Nov 16, 2017.

  1. GodsDog

    GodsDog Member Political Irish

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    It seems the title of the video game above which none other than Bono invested greatly in
    ( in whose plot, the "evil dictator" of Venezuela is targetted for regime change!)
    May turn out to be strangely prophetic!

    Most of us here have heard of Thierry Meyssan, renegade reporter
    and thorn in the side of imperialism.

    Thierry in his new book is putting forward a new explanatory hypothesis
    as to what exactly is going on regarding much of the insanity we see in the world today.

    The shift in strategy is the bastard lovechild of Thomas P.M.Barnett and others.
    He's just one of the many Strangeloves working with the pentagon.

    You can get a good idea of Thierry's hypothesis here:

    The US military project for the world, by Thierry Meyssan

    The basic idea is that the world is being divided into two zones.
    A zone of chaos and a zone of stability, the G8

    The rest are for the chop. Not for their resources directly, but to destroy them, put them out of the game, so they cannot pose any future challenge to US hegemony or their global economic system in the future and to put in place an occupying force or garrison so that these destroyed states cannot directly deal with the G8 without strong US influence and control

    It's loosely based on the notion of "controlled chaos" which has been
    a buzz term with US think tanks for quite a while now, but which has been fleshed out
    by Thierry in his book.

    Anyway, read the article and we can discuss here whether events fit the hypothesis or not. Personally I think he's onto something here, and it looks like a really ugly future we have in store.
     
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    TheKing Member Donator Political Irish

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    Trump does not know what he wants,

    It was all Anti China in the election, as soon as he was elected he took military action on Syria, these days it seems he wants to go after North Korea.

    Its as if he has watched too many Holywood movies where the president becomes popular by destroying a smaller nation.
     
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    Dear Mr. President -

    Congratulations on a remarkable run. Millions have placed their hopes in you, and all of us, regardless of party, should hope for expanded prosperity and security during your tenure.


    This is a unique office, without a clear blueprint for success, so I don't know that any advice from me will be particularly helpful. Still, let me offer a few reflections from the past 8 years.

    First, we've both been blessed, in different ways, with great good fortune. Not everyone is so lucky. It's up to us to do everything we can (to) build more ladders of success for every child and family that's willing to work hard.

    Second, American leadership in this world really is indispensable. It's up to us, through action and example, to sustain the international order that's expanded steadily since the end of the Cold War, and upon which our own wealth and safety depend.

    Third, we are just temporary occupants of this office. That makes us guardians of those democratic institutions and traditions -- like rule of law, separation of powers, equal protection and civil liberties -- that our forebears fought and bled for. Regardless of the push and pull of daily politics, it's up to us to leave those instruments of our democracy at least as strong as we found them.

    And finally, take time, in the rush of events and responsibilities, for friends and family. They'll get you through the inevitable rough patches.

    Michelle and I wish you and Melania the very best as you embark on this great adventure, and know that we stand ready to help in any ways which we can.

    Good luck and Godspeed,

    Barak Obama
     
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  5. SwordOfStCatherine

    SwordOfStCatherine Legend Political Irish

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    The US is undergoing a major opiate epidemic in which loads of people are dying. There are growing regions of really nasty poverty and also spreading areas of utter lawlessness. On top of that you have growing racial tensions. The United States may well crumble from within and sooner than you think.
     
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  6. The Potato Mystic

    The Potato Mystic Legend Political Irish

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    The world crisis is the attempt to gain control of the World Island (Eurasia) for global hegemony and the West has (generally) pursued a destabilisation strategy with a couple of hard power occupations flipped into being war profiteering cash cows.

    It's a contest between the rootless maritime powers of the Anglosphere who lay siege to the landed powers dominated by Russia and China.

    I think if there's a shift from the Americans, it's a shift into abject senility. American policy-makers are increasingly dazed and confused and they really have no grasp of politics at home so they've no hope at decrypting the ever labyrinthine politics abroad.
     
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  7. Youngdan

    Youngdan Moderator Staff Member Moderator Political Irish Donator

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    The President is consistent and unwavering. It is exactly opposite to what it was before the election.

    PS.
    I will not be adding to this other than making the observation
     
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  8. Tadhg Gaelach

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    The Dotard has the consistency of an old man's shit. He's lucky the US military is made up of faggots or he would be removed.
     
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  9. The Potato Mystic

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    Trump is a partial reaction to American senility. Trump is muddled and turbo-narcissistic and has exceptionalist, jingoistic blindspots but he's not quite as galloping insane as the thorough-bred globalists. You do have to read his actions rather than his words to perceive this.
     
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    Yes indeed, for all his senile guff about the DPRK, he was smart enough to keep away from the DMZ not to mind do anything silly like actually attack the DPRK.
     
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    It's his jingoism that completely undermines any deal-making skill he might have had because I do think the pragmatism of the businessman has some merit. But the prideful jingoism undermines his pragmatic instincts. If only Trump swapped his knee-jerk jingoism for a more holistic patriotism, the guy would get somewhere in his diplomacy. As it is his spasmatic paralysis is still far better than runaway Clintonite pyromania.
     
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    The basic problem is that business for profit and politics are vastly different spheres. The huge misconception that nearly all businessmen harbour is the idea that states can be run like corner shops.
     
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    You are delusional if this is the rubbish you keep telling yourself.

    What has Trump actually done as President?
     
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    What did Obama do in his first nine months as President? In fact how much exactly can we show for his eight years running the show?

    There is over a million people more working now than when Trump took over.

    Okay this might have nothing whatsoever to do with Trump, could be entirely co-incidental, but Trump did say he wanted to create jobs for Americans and he can claim to be achieving this.
     
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    Re the OP. It is the best explanation I have yet seen for what is happening.
     
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    Those extra jobs are from a combination of super low interest rates (which Trump said he was against), and the stock market rallying on Trump's promises of tax cuts and a huge program of infrastructure spending. Well, so far, Trump has delivered on neither - and the markets are getting very nervous about that.
     
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    Folks, please grow up
    This was not intended as yet another "Trump is great no trump is an idiot"mindless football supporters thread.

    The long term objectives, strategies and actions of the deep state in the US and their globalist friends worldwide who facilitate such strategies have little to do with the republican/democrat punch and judy sideshow shitshow theatre put on to distract the masses and which represents the farce of faux US democracy in the US (and indeed similar applies elsewhere) today. Nor does whichever puppet occupies the white house to any great extent.

    All that changes is the style and to some extent the subtlety and rate at which these same policies and objectives are implemented.
    Trump's election was a minor irritant to the powers that be certainly, but as events have transpired and trump has reneged on every election promise that mattered, they have proven that, while hillary would have been their first choice, they can work perfectly well with him too.
    In fact he has worked out to be an even better sideshow to distract the masses!

    Now just to recap:
    Obama the silver tongued was planned as the "first black president", darling of wall street, and whom the left could not say anything bad against for 8 years but who was also the first president to be at war for EVERY SINGLE DAY OF HIS PRESIDENCY.
    The plan next was to elect Hillary the Russophobe, who never saw a war she didn't like, as"the first woman president" making it difficult for half the population to criticise for the next 8 years while the exact same corporate/warmongering/globalist/surveillance/financial terrorist agendas continued to move forward in the usual way. Trump was intended to be the "marine le pen" of the US election (i.e. "anyone but him") who would drive more voters to Hillary. They thought the fix was in, but something happened and people, angry at all the lies, the manipulation, the state of things for the poor in america etc, with their limited ability to change anything, sent what they thought was the biggest "FUCK YOU" they could muster to those controlling their lives and oppressing them. They all voted for the idiot trump (Heck, I would have too). However, though Trump was not planned, he is nevertheless also himself a billionaire and a member of the greedy elite. He has interests and a (vulnerable!) family, character weaknesses (huge ego, low intellect). In essence, like most humans, he can be bought, threatened, manipulated, corrupted in order to make him play ball. And evidently he has been. Through some combination of the above methods and manipulations, he has proven himself to be every bit as much a puppet to empire as any other president of the US.
    Clearly salvation will not come from voting people into office since the problems are systemic in nature. So nothing much really changes except that more people are now "waking up" and becoming aware that they are imprisoned within a system of control which includes pretty much the entire media, the legislature, their corrupt government, all the large technology corporations (and other large corporations especially the military industrial complex) and of course the financial institutions.
    The tools used are: media repeating the same lies over and over until they become "the truth"(a la Goebbels), political correctness, exploiting racial and sexual faultlines and other obvious tribal faultlines, poverty and debt, bureaucracy, police bullying, the legislature and for profit prisons, misplaced patriotism (to recruit cannon fodder), religion, fear of getting sick, big pharma to medicate them, social media,video games,TV, movies, tech toys (to distract), Education (to brainwash, socialise and produce obedient workers), and just generally keeping the majority of their population all the time off balance, too frightened, busy, stressed, distracted to ever stop for a moment and do some real hard thinking of any kind that might lead to changing the status quo to something that works better for most of the serfs at the bottom of their little pyramid.

    So that's where we are. And daily it gets worse as the elites encroach further and into our lives to further oppress us through the use of technology and propaganda.
    So the whole Trump / Hillary thing is just a distraction geddit? Nothing has changed fundamentally for the likes of you and me.
    So let that be the end of the punch and judy show talk. They're BOTH just puppets. No more of it please. It's getting tiresome now.
    Lets discuss the PUPPETEERS instead. That's a lot more interesting and relevant don't you think??

    This thread is about discussing aspects of what actually underlies what is going on in the world today,
    not the theatre or bread and circuses or puppet shows put on for the masses.

    If you DO wish to carry on with the whole football fandom thing, discussing whether punch (trump) is better than judy (hillary) then
    please do it on one of the many other threads dedicated to this particular puppet show distraction

    TL;DR So to cut a long post short. No more trump talk. discuss the OP please
     
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  18. The Potato Mystic

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    Well, there's a complexity here. The globalist establishment does quarrel within its own ranks, it does have a left wing (Soros types) and a right wing (broadly speaking P2 types), they do rift internally sometimes, they even conduct purges and I do think their quarreling can bubble up to the surface when factions positions themselves to seize the throne through the instruments of the party machines. So whilst it's dumbassery to reduce everything to a GOP versus Demo popularity contest between sincere politicians, maxflynn tracking developments within the Democratic Party does give us some good pieces to crack a much larger globalist puzzle.

    As for Trump I think he is a pretzel in the throat of the establishment and they really are hyperventilating over him. That's no commentary on Trump himself. You can still be a tyrant and not read from the globalist script, you can still be a muddled person and yet unnerve globalism. Although Trump will ultimately be expelled, he is a symptom of a sick globalist regime increasingly divorced from reality and becoming ever more unstable because of it.
     
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    "Tillerson's latest warning to the Palestinians shows the U.S. losing its status as a fair peace negotiator, the aide says"

    Abbas Aide: Threat to Shut D.C. Mission Harms U.S. Status as Fair Israeli-Palestinian Mediator
    The American warning to shutter the Palestinian mission in D.C. unless Ramallah enters negotiations with Israel is 'unprecedented,' Nabil Abu Rudeineh says


    The American threat to shut down the Palestinian mission in Washington, D.C. is a "dangerous step" that shows the United States is losing its status as a fair mediator between Israel and the Palestinians, a spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said Saturday.

    The administration of U.S. President Donald Trump has notified the Palestinian Authority that unless it enters serious peace negotiations with Israel, the U.S. could shut down the Palestinian diplomatic mission in Washington, D.C. within the next few months.
    The threat, which was relayed to the Palestinians by the U.S. State Department, "is a puzzling position of the administration," Nabil Abu Rudeineh said. "The Palestinian side has not received any document or idea from the United States for many months, despite the fact that many meetings have taken place with the administration."

    The move is "a dangerous threat," Abu Rudeineh said "that leads [to the conclusion that] the United States is losing its position as a negotiator" and that it was "withdrawing from its role as a sponsor of the diplomatic process for peace as promised by President Trump."
    Abu Rudeineh said that warning issued by the U.S. administration was "unprecedented in the relationship between Washington and the Arab world," and that "it deals a blow to efforts to promote peace and a prize for Israel, which is trying to thwart American efforts by continuing to build in the settlements and opposing the two-state solution."
    Tillerson told the Palestinians that the decision to issue the warning was reached following statements made by Abbas, who called on the International Criminal Court to investigate actions by Israel and to prosecute Israelis.
    Abbas' statements, the State Department said, go against U.S. law, which stipulates that the Palestinian mission could be closed should the Palestinians try to take action against Israel at the ICC.

    The report by the AP made it clear, however, that this was not an immediate threat, and that the United States was still engaging the Palestinians in the hopes of renewing the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.
    A State Department official told Haaretz on Friday that the U.S. was "not cutting off relations with the PLO, nor do we intend to stop working with the Palestinian Authority. We remain focused on a comprehensive peace agreement between the Israelis and the Palestinians that will resolve core issues between the parties.

    read more: Abbas aide: Threat to shut D.C. mission harms U.S. status as fair Israeli-Palestinian mediator
     
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    Hogwash. Is this piece a joke?? The US was never a "fair mediator". The US was never really trying to make peace between Israel and Palestine. They were just running interference while their pal Israel carried on delaying and building more and more settlements, with the ultimate aim of ethnically cleansing palestine for Israel. Check out the animation.



    THAT's what's actually going on. US talk of peace is a mere distraction
    while it continues on as planned

    The US is very quick to impose crippling sanctions on people when they want to. See Russia, Iran, DPRK, Cuba etc for details.
    No sign of any such crippling sanctions on Israel for making war on Gaza and building illegal settlements.

    US meddling is an impediment to the rights of Palestinians. Who cares if they aren't involved.

    Yet another example of a continuing policy of the US deep state carrying on through multiple puppets presidencies.

    They even gave them around 3 billion in military aid each year against their own laws
    which ban giving aid to states running illegal nuclear weapons programs
    without being a member of the NPT. THIS is why Israel continues to deny having one in spite of the fact that the world and his dog know they have 200-300 nukes thanks to the whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu whom the Israelis made sure to punish severely for his selfless act.
     
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