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How much of a future does Catholicism in Ireland have?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by SwordOfStCatherine, Nov 16, 2017.

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    SwordOfStCatherine

    SwordOfStCatherine Legend Political Irish

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    He is Fine Gael old money, to me he sums up their sneering arrogance and cowardly petty mindedness.
     
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  2. Heraclitus

    Heraclitus Member Political Irish

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    He's a wind up merchant and not very self reflective, but he's not nearly as sinister you seem to believe.
     
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    SwordOfStCatherine

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    Sorry I meant to type Fine Gael "old money". Anyway maybe you are right, I do have paranoid tendencies and he just brings out feelings of disgust in me strongly for some reason.
     
  4. Heraclitus

    Heraclitus Member Political Irish

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    Anyway.

    To be an Adherent of Catholicism, you must believe its core dogmas.
    If you don't believe in any of the metaphysical claims that these dogmas are based on, you cannot be a Catholic.

    Had the RCC in Ireland took a tougher line and excommunicated baptism, wedding and funeral Catholics, the result would've been far less nominal members of that denomination today.
     
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    SwordOfStCatherine

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    Have you ever read the Ashkenazi Revolution Herc by the way? It was written in the 1960s by an ardent Zionist and got itself banned in the Zionist colonial project due to the Mizrachi rioting over it. It is a brilliant read and I think one that you would enjoy. The first and fifth chapters are particularly of interest.

    https://jewamongyou.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/the-ashkenazi-revolution2.pdf
     
  6. Heraclitus

    Heraclitus Member Political Irish

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    It's the Chihuahua avatar with the syringe, isn't it?
     
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    SwordOfStCatherine

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    Well this is a big problem. A lot of Irish Catholics haven't been taught the rudiments of basic core Dogmas. All a lot of them were taught in Religion class in school was a fluffy bunny humanism coupled with stuff about waiting until marriage to start shagging. I would start off teaching kids in secondary school about the nature of Incarnation and the Trinity, and only after than move on to sexual ethics.
     
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    SwordOfStCatherine

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    Yep.
     
  9. Heraclitus

    Heraclitus Member Political Irish

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    I'll bookmark it.

    My reading list is quite full, but I'll find some time to skim over it.
     
  10. Heraclitus

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    If such an approach was taken, you'd probably end up with a chunk of the class becoming committed atheists.

    But I suppose a smaller, "truer" church is what many Catholics would like to see.
     
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    SwordOfStCatherine

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    Definitely read the first chapter. It is really brilliant.
     
  12. Finished Symphony

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    You're going to physically assault teachers for sex ed? Isn't it in secondary school they teach that?

    Plenty of faithful populations everywhere and throughout history - it didn't stop them from being attacked.
     
  13. dwayne

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    Teaching Children about gaysex is not sex education it is perverted,over in the UK they are trying to teach children as young as three about this stuff,so don't come at me with that rubbish
     
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  14. Finished Symphony

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    Great, any evidence of that for Ireland?
     
  15. Tadhg Gaelach

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    Well a chara, you know that the Irish gombeens will imitate anything the English and the Septics do.
     
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  16. Finished Symphony

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    I know some posters at times can be 'passionate' about their beliefs and whatnot. That's great, I'd rather generally get an accurate picture of what's going on. Going by this BBC page it's still secondary for UK students.

    Sex education compulsory in schools
     
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  17. Heraclitus

    Heraclitus Member Political Irish

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    It won't survive. It's had its day.

    Whatever the social benefits of Catholicism/Christianity, it's ultimately based on a collection of myths. There's no escaping this fact.

    If society requires some sort of unifying principle, resuscitating the corpse of Catholicism isn't the way to go.
     
  18. dwayne

    dwayne Member Political Irish

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    I tend to disagree,the Lords message is truth
     
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    Can you not see that this is the way things are going??? My proof is looking at ALL the other Countries
     
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  20. Heraclitus

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    He was just another itinerant Jewish preacher. The Roman empire was full of such characters.

    Claims of Miracles were two a penny.
    For example, it was claimed that a 100 foot statue went walk abouts in the North African desert, and the Roman emperor Vespasian could allegedly cure blindness with his spit.

    There are many more such "miracles" that people at the time believed in.
     
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