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Lenin on the Fake Lefties that pose as Marxists in Europe today

Discussion in 'Political Philosophy' started by Tadhg Gaelach, Jul 18, 2017.

  1. Tadhg Gaelach

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    I was just listening to this recording of Lenin's The State and Revolution, and it struck me that Lenin could have been talking about Richard Boyd Barrett and all the rest of the Gaystapo Fake Lefties that pose as Marxists - but are really nothing but bourgeois Liberals, who ignore what disturbs the Oligarchs - such as defending the wages and conditions of native workers - and promote what the Oligarchs want promoted, i.e. mass immigration, homosexuality, turning children into trannies, etc. etc.

    What is now happening to Marx's theory has, in the course of history, happened repeatedly to the theories of revolutionary thinkers and leaders of oppressed classes fighting for emancipation. During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it. Today, the bourgeoisie and the opportunists within the labor movement concur in this doctoring of Marxism. They omit, obscure, or distort the revolutionary side of this theory, its revolutionary soul. They push to the foreground and extol what is or seems acceptable to the bourgeoisie.

    Yes, Dear Lenin, how true. True in your day, and a million times more so today.

    http://www.marxistsfr.org/audiobooks/archive/lenin/1917/staterev/ch01.mp3

    The State and Revolution — Chapter 1
     
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    It's interesting stuff Tadhg. I've communicated with a number of communist types since I've read your perspective but I haven't been able to persuade any of them that open-borders and mass immigration is not something their heroes supported. I don't know why there isn't a debate among them on this subject.
     
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    I got told on Politics.ie that because of the fact that I want "Gangsta Rap" banned in Ireland I cannot be a Socialist.

    The thing is that we have to acknowledge something about our people- they are one of the least politically minded people in the world which would fine if there was a good willed proper Monarchy or Dictatorship but the problem is that our people are also love in with the idea of "Democracy" (my sister calls me an English Fascist while claiming that she is an "Ulster Democrat"- however she is the one supportive of riots to over turn to Democratic decision, so figure that out). Anyone who is a Trotskyite is so because they are silly gobshytes or they are actually evil people. Most "communist types" in Ireland are Trotskyites. The vast bulk of them unlike Trots elsewhere are though just utter gobshytes as opposed to anything more sinister. It is interesting to me that the "Establishment" seems to have more fear of the Shinners than they do of PBP/Solidarity.
     
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    I'd say the Shinners will form a coalition with the alphabet socialists as soon as they get the chance.
    Gangsta rap would be a bit hard to define, wouldn't it?
    I'd like the same freedom of speech laws the US has, myself.
     
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    Most Gaels would be in agreement with you on that so you realistically would have more luck achieving such than I would bringing in the type of censorship I desire.

    The nearly all of the genre of "hip hop" is completely vile. When I was a teen I went out with this lad who was incredibly handsome, he had the most spine tingling gorgeous curly blonde hair and awe inspiring blue eyes. He was the most physically beautiful human I have ever seen with my eyes in real life. The thing was that he listened to this disgusting rap music and because of that I had to break it off with him after not that long a period. However I'm grateful for the experience because I learned from it just how utterly evil this "music" is. Anyway I define it simply as "hip hop" music that encourages drug abuse, criminality and misogyny.
     
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    This is true but the Shinners are awful gobshytes. They measure themselves against Ulster Unionism and Loyalism and because of that they believe that they are oh so sophisticated. Ideally after the war Sinn Fein/Irish Republicanism should have developed into something like the Syrian Social Nationalist Party but instead....
     
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    They get their ideas from Disney movies rather than Marx. That's the basic problem.
     
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    They'd be Western Europeans I presume K.

    Southern Americans, Eastern Europeans & Asian Communists are mostly sound
     
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    Lenin meant that the views of revolutionary theorists like Marx (or today Guevara) are essentially distorted to fit a "pacifist, harmless liberal perspective".
    Last time I checked most marxists in first world countries are not in favor of identity politics and they definitely try to defend first world wages.
    What makes you think we aren't?
     
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    Depends on what you call a Marxist. The SWP call themselves Marxists, but they are in favour of mass immigration which undermines the wages of the native workers and drives up home prices and rents.
     
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    Surely from a Marxist point of view this is a good thing as it brings the final crisis of capitalism and its demise ever closer?
     
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    How does it bring the crisis of Captialism to a close to give the Capitalists endless supplies of cheap immigrant labour and high rents?
     
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    Well the workers will be so impoverished that they won't be able to consume as much as before, and eventually capitalism will collapse due to a crisis of overproduction. At least that's how I recall the Marxist analysis going.
    Also surely it's a good thing if workers from different nationalities end up mingling, thereby helping to break down national barriers and create enhanced class consciousness?
     
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    Marx said that the declining rate of profit due to overproduction would create a crisis in Capitalism - and it has - several times. But he also recognised that Capitalism could extend its markets into the colonies and so put off the day of doom. What we are seeing now is Europe herself being turned into a Third World colony - and the only ones putting up any kind of working class resistance is the Far Right. Would that not be ironic if the ones to gain from the Marxist analysis were the Far Right?

    As for racial blending, I see no merit in it. The mulatto offspring of race mixing rarely have any class consciousness. Rather they seek the approval of their Masters as tamed House Slaves. Only homogeneous native communities have the will to resist Capitalism.
     
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    Quick question:

    From your posts, I am guessing that you don't hold with any of the evolutions of Marxist thought and applications toward culture?

    And probably, since 1989, and the muddying of general socialist goals too?

    Do you see the current incarnation of Marxism as harmful or just misunderstood?

    Second question, off topic and no need to answer if you think it's not relevant.

    Ignoring the short term, Do you think Marxism creates disgenic societies(over 2/3 hundred years? ​
     
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    I am, forever exasperated with lefties fixated on the trojan horse of intersectionalist identity politics.

    "Focus on the fucking CLASS struggle like real lefties you idiots" I always tell them..
    "not on social trivia. Inequity applies to 100% of the poor. Trannie toilet issues only apply to 0.05% of them"

    Trouble is most of these wasters come to the left without any kind of educated revolutionary class consciousness.
    The entire body of left thinking and writing has been ignored by them so they have no foundation. This makes them easy meat
    for all the devious tricks of the right and elite classes who have no scruples whatsoever when it comes to holding on to their loot
    and screwing over the working classes at every turn
     
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    I think Capitalism certainly has produced dysgenic societies over the last 300 years. Too early to say about Communism.
     
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    I think GodsDog has answered this above. Marxism is about class analysis and class struggle, not about trannies and dressing up buggery as marriage.
     
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    I'm not arguing for capitalism. I'm generally arguing against Marxism.


    I was trying to understand your view of the type of society that would grow under Marxism.
     
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    Marx didn't write much about what a future Communist society might look like. 99% of his work is analysing Capitalism. I expect that Communism will always take on the national characteristics of any given nation. Obviously, South American Communism would never look like Chinese or Korean Communism, and Irish Communism would be very different again. But I wonder what part of Marxism are you actually against.