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Mary Lou McDonald becomes SF leader. Calls for a "New Ireland".

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I'm not feeling the excitement.

Wish Ireland had a party like the FN in France.


If I could vote in French elections, I'd vote FN before any of the others.

But they're too leftwing on economics and authoritarian on social issues.
Compared to the French and other Europeans, I think the Irish are more temperamentally libertarian, particularly on social issues -- probably even more so than the Brits.

Take the German (and other European countries) laws proscribing holocaust denial.
The average German just accepts, and may even approve, of such laws.
The average Irish bloke on the street would be horrified at the very mention of such laws, even if he vehemently disagrees with, or even loathes, holocaust deniers.
The same goes for any talk of censoring social media.

And while we're capable of having a very strong sense of community, we're also very much of the "high walls make good neighbours" school of thought.

Despite its good points, I don't think a carbon copy of the FN would gain much traction in Ireland.
 

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Sinn Féin new President Mary Lou McDonald ends her speech with “Up the Republic, up the rebels and Tiocfaidh ár lá”.

Imagine if Arlene Foster shouted 'Up the UDA, Up the UVF, No Surrender' at the end of a speech - what would SF have to say to that?:rolleyes:
 

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Sinn Féin new President Mary Lou McDonald ends her speech with “Up the Republic, up the rebels and Tiocfaidh ár lá”.

Imagine if Arlene Foster shouted 'Up the UDA, Up the UVF, No Surrender' at the end of a speech - what would SF have to say to that?:rolleyes:
Not the same thing.
The UDA were a thinly veiled sectarian hit squad.
 

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Not the same thing.
The UDA were a thinly veiled sectarian hit squad.

The Provos were a thinly veiled sectarian hit squad, among many other nefarious activities.

Get Mary Lou and friends to condemn them???:D

Not on your nelly - they actually praise them.:cool:
 

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Sinn Féin new President Mary Lou McDonald ends her speech with “Up the Republic, up the rebels and Tiocfaidh ár lá”.

Imagine if Arlene Foster shouted 'Up the UDA, Up the UVF, No Surrender' at the end of a speech - what would SF have to say to that?:rolleyes:
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Sinn Féin new President Mary Lou McDonald ends her speech with “Up the Republic, up the rebels and Tiocfaidh ár lá”.

Imagine if Arlene Foster shouted 'Up the UDA, Up the UVF, No Surrender' at the end of a speech - what would SF have to say to that?:rolleyes:
Did she really say that?
Cringe.
The "rebels" who support the EU. Receive funding from Coca Cola company. Who run the North on behalf of the Brits. Who have keynote speeches written for them by Whitehall mandarins.
 

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The Provos were a thinly veiled sectarian hit squad, among many other nefarious activities.

Get Mary Lou and friends to condemn them???:D

Not on your nelly - they actually praise them.:cool:
No doubt there was a sectarian element among the PIRA, but the Loyalist paramilitaries were far more avowedly sectarian.

For better or worse, a significant chunk of the population, north and south, have a strong emotional attachment to the PIRA.
Whatever about modern day SF, the Provos provided community defense and policing (however questionable their methods at times) in an era when Catholic Nationalists couldn't trust the state.

Love them or loath them, they didn't emerge out of a vacuum.
They were the product of a dysfunctional, clientalist state.
Their stated ideologically motivated goals were a secondary consideration among many of their grassroots supporters.
 
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Sinn Féin new President Mary Lou McDonald ends her speech with “Up the Republic, up the rebels and Tiocfaidh ár lá”.Imagine if Arlene Foster shouted 'Up the UDA, Up the UVF, No Surrender' at the end of a speech - what would SF have to say to that?:rolleyes:
The Republic of Ireland equals the UDA?
 

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I've just seen Ms.McDonald speaking on the news she's doing a good job and Ireland can be proud of her.The dinosaurs need to step aside she represent todays Ireland and people like her are likely to achieve Irish unity.She also said Mr.Varadkan was smarmy when asked to describe in one word,this was in response to a one word description he had said about her,I can't remember what it was.