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New Nationalist Party formed in Ireland - An Páirtí Náisiúnta \ The National Party

Discussion in 'Political Chat' started by Tadhg Gaelach, Nov 16, 2016.

  1. SwordOfStCatherine

    SwordOfStCatherine Legend Battle Royale Political Irish

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    The South of Ireland doesn't really belong in the Anglosphere (I don't mean that as insult to be clear) and being in it does cause un-necessary neurosis. Outside of any ethno-nationalist perspectives objectively the ROI would probably be far superior culturally and Spiritually if it spoke Irish as it's everyday language. However the idea that people here who don't speak Irish are basically English men with funny accents is just wrong.
     
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    Tadhg Gaelach

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    I fully agree with that a chara, and I don't mean to say that you don't value the Irish language. My point is that what we really need here is a Cultural Revolution. I doubt if any anti-immigration group will ever manage to kick up as much of a fuss as PIRA did, but, in the end, they got nowhere. And that's because they weren't really trying to change the culture. I could see large protests etc. calling for closing the borders - and the politicians might even do it for a few years. But, without changing the Liberal, Anglo-American, culture, the borders will soon be open again and the migrants pouring back in. We've seen how Brexit has been largely gutted by the London elites. The people spoke. Some lipservice was paid, and then business as usual for the wealthy elites who want a plentiful supply of cheap immigrant labour and high rents.
     
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    Tadhg Gaelach

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    Without the Irish language, we basically would be just Englishmen with funny accents. That's the brutal truth.
     
  4. SwordOfStCatherine

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    Tadhg on this I just think you are plain wrong. Have you ever lived in England for at least a year? I love both the South of Ireland and England though over all the South of Ireland is superior however they are radically different places. The people I actually think the Southern Irish are most similar to are the Bretons (that isn't an insult by the way, don't believe Petaljam's lies about them).
     
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    Tadhg Gaelach

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    These are regional differences. People in part of England are quite like Irish people. Without a national language there is no nation. You only have to look at Canada for example. There's a non-nation if ever there was one. By the way I'm not saying that anyone who doesn't speak Irish is not Irish. The very fact that the Irish language exists and some people speak it gives a psychological grounding to even those Irish people who don't speak it. If that grounding was gone, there would be no Irish nation and, effectively, no Irish people.
     
  6. SwordOfStCatherine

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    Really where? My sister would tell you that I have become so Anglicized that I'm basically English, but do I come across as English to you?

    I agree that the destruction of Irish Language would be a disaster, or even it's reduction to where Cornish is now. As I posted I think it is shameful of the National Party not to make it an important part of that platform. What you want for the Irish language is just and rational in essence, but you are going to far. I would agree with you though that people who speak Irish are more Irish than people who don't.
     
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    Tadhg Gaelach

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    I would say English people in Western and Northern England are quite like Irish people - and the have quite a lot of Celtic blood too - both originally and from mixing with Irish immigrants. And culturally, the mass media is making everyone who speaks English more or less homogeneous. But when I say Englishman, I'm really taking about a generic Anglophone rather than a particular type of Englishman. One of the complaints the North American settlers had against the English Crown was that they weren't being treated as Englishmen. It's that generic Englishman I'm also referring to.
     
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  8. SwordOfStCatherine

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    In the West Country up to a point I think you are right but only up to a point, I disagree with you that Northern English are similar to Gaelic people which isn't an insult to either group, people are just different and often there isn't a moral dimension to it, yeah they might have more in common with the Gael than the likes of David Norris or Eagle but is neither here or there in the ultimate scale of things. Also again only up to a point have they made every one more or less homogenous; I'm very much an Ulster woman for better and also for worse, it is something I can't escape though I tried to. Ultimately you are who are and the only way to become a better person really as opposed to falsely is acknowledging that and building on what God/Fate/Nature has given you. A Gael can never be an English man but that is okay because a Gael isn't supposed to be a English man.
     
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    English is the language of mercantilism. It's the language of capitalism, it's the language of money. It's the language through which McWorld is disseminated in its rawest form and that's what we've got -- a society that pivots on money.

    Even Macron's France will leverage French music with foreign imports. Doing that here would be regarded as insane.

    It'd be far simpler if Irish had been displaced by, say, French with Napoleon or whomever. We'd still have some defence against the chosen language of McWorld. Instead we speak it.

    The predicament for the Irish patriot is that we are deep within an ideological ice age. We're sitting on an ice sheet that goes from horizon to horizon waiting for a lush, greenland to emerge. Whilst there's some palpable signs of a thaw, we've still got millions of years to plough through to see anything that resembles a blade of grass pushing above the snow.

    I will say that one thing that is positive is that Irish civilisation has been catalogued and digitised in the most vivid and advanced ways -- including the language. We'll have that at least above other civilisations that have fallen by the wayside.

     
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    I wouldn't think we have quite that long to wait a chara. We're not starting from Year Zero by any means. We have the magnificent Irish Republican tradition to draw on, the organic Gaelic tradition, the tradition of Conradh na Gaelic and the GAA and the magnificent work done by the Gaelscoileanna. We can also link in with the best among the Ulster Protestants and their traditions - which overlap all of the above in one way or another. And of course with all our Celtic brothers and sisters across the Celtic Realm. Then we have the magnificent tradition of Marxism and world-wide Anti-Imperialism. We should in no way be isolated from our fellow men and women in Africa and Asia and South America, etc.. Of course, Christianity offers a magnificent tradition, the best of which still inspires. It's really a question of synthesizing something new and inspiring from all of that tradition.
     
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    :laughing::laughing::laughing:
     
  12. The Potato Mystic

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    The big test is the test as to whether the Irish people at large are interested in their children or not. That test is next year in that toxic referendum. If Irish people say that children are expendable, then we're done as a civilisation. Done. If they do mete out a defeat to the globalist vermin resident here, it'd be a far more significant victory for anti-globalist forces in Ireland, than Trump's victory was for the Americans.
     
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    Is this guy serious?.....Honestly....this is like a fake poster...to, like keep the conversation going..................................Right??

    Or else, he's really some posh English guy, named Percy........."I say, I'm all for inter- bredding(?) with foreigners,....Old Boy"...........Aye Carrumba:tonguecrazy:
     
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  14. SwordOfStCatherine

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    Unless it is a matter of minor tweaking the 8 th will be kept. However there could be interesting consequences from the failure to repeal to it, Fianna Fail are many things but stupid isn't one of them, they would never have that referendum under their watch.
     
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    I said it that way to be clear. I don't talk like that. And let me tell you the last thing I am is some English spiff.
     
  16. Liberal D4'er

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    Claptrap. Sure a cultural revolution would be a good thing in Ireland but to say changing ourt skin tone will change the destiny of Ireland is not true. That would be to say that Black people can't/don't stand up for themselves against the oppressor and that the Irish do would be racist in the leasst. Indeed they can and they will under Dublin tutelage. We will teach them to be IRish and all can live happily together free from the reign of England.
     
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    Thankfully I can say I had a normal upbringing away from the fetishes they breed in that craphole
     
  18. Liberal D4'er

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    I know exactly what you mean - I am a leftist from the right. But some posters would lambast me for being a rich boy liberal and socialist. I agree with free markets but I also agree with a good welfare system. If that makes sense.
     
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    I thought we were separate from England and had the right to govern ourselves?
     
  20. Myles O'Reilly

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    No disrespect to anyone here but I've never read such a load of claptrap in my life. I often wonder are you fellars actually walking and talking in Ireland or are you living in a commune in the Arizona desert?