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Palestine and Global Relations.

Discussion in 'Foreign Affairs' started by SwordOfStCatherine, Oct 17, 2017.

  1. SwordOfStCatherine

    SwordOfStCatherine Legend Political Irish Battle Royale

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    Very interesting and oddly calm given how emotional this issue usually is discussion. The person of most interest is the man from the "Israel Policy Forum" but the Chinese journalist is also very informative. The American diplomat not so much at all. Despite the title it doesn't deal much with the actual occupation but instead how that is impacting on the Zionist colonial project globally.

    Key points that I thought stood out were that in private the Zionist government has better relations with Saudi Arabia than it does with the EU and whatever happens to the Palestinians this is unlikely to change, BiBi used Obama who he set himself in the Zionist colonial project as his main rival as a foil to fob off the even bigger psychos in his government while he really praised Trump to the Heavens but Trump hasn't given the Zionists the carte blanche that they expecting or led to expect from Bibi. The other thing that was really interesting is that the Zionists in Palestine in government but also many in the street actually see BDS as an existential threat because they see it as totally de-legitimizing them (we have heard BDS referred to here as a cult).

     
  2. The Potato Mystic

    The Potato Mystic Legend Battle Royale Political Irish

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    Trump has displayed a pragmatic side to his attitudes towards Israel. He's not fresh on holocaust orthodoxy. He's had a few missteps on that. There was a few moments when he interjected among a crowd of pro-Israel GOP types during the election that the Palestinians had a case too. Whoops! Stony silence in the room. So he's not as zealous a Zionist as one might think.

    That said, he does oscillate between pragmatism and passion. He's got that all too infamous familial connections with Israel, he's familiar with them as a Western style state he can do business with. Also, his apparent passion for Israel is I think stoked up by animosity towards Iran which probably had alot to do with the long running hostage crisis which would've wounded the pride of the young jingoistic Trump way back in the day.

    Given that he was constantly floating the idea and even attempting to contest Presidential elections right through the 80s, it might be said it was Carter rather than Obama that saw him swerve into politics.

    As for the EU, they are just a neurotic crowd that are probably more useless to Yahoo than anything else. On the one hand, they bristle at Israeli fascist colonial expansion but on the other they can't detach themselves from the Jewish exceptionalism that in many ways is the foundation of the post-war EU. It makes the EU constantly walk with its ankles tied together. Whereas more can be done with wily Saud brutality and even the unsentimental cleverness of Putin has its appeal.
     
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  3. Setantawatchl

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    It is a cult
     
  4. Setantawatchl

    Setantawatchl Member

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    More nonsense
    Everyone is to blame
     
  5. The Potato Mystic

    The Potato Mystic Legend Battle Royale Political Irish

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    Wouldn't a teeny bopper forum be a better sand box for you than here? Some place where they converse in textspeak and swap Pokeman cards. That'd be more at your level.
     
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  6. Setantawatchl

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    Poor spud dose'nt know what a sand box is
    He/She is norming, using the age thing
    Bless his/her sheep like innocence
     
  7. OP
    SwordOfStCatherine

    SwordOfStCatherine Legend Political Irish Battle Royale

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    Okay in what way exactly is it a cult? It's supporters often live extremely different lifestyles and have very different beliefs.
     
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  8. TheKing

    TheKing Member Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    Maybe its time to arm each Army equally and let them go at it, we can sell television rights around the world and make this a real rumble in the desert, the last man standing and all that.

    Or we drop a few nukes on the whole region, wiping out mankind biggest problem area in one swift move.

    Come on Trump, make the Earth great again.
     
  9. Setantawatchl

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    No they are conditioned to think
    The BdS changed the narrative and the devotees minds followed
    The mindless chants and lack of difference is what makes it's members devotees
    CULT!
     
  10. OP
    SwordOfStCatherine

    SwordOfStCatherine Legend Political Irish Battle Royale

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    No facts on the ground made old arguments coming from basic justice seem increasingly to even restrained reason much more persuading. Or are you going to seriously tell me a chara that the Settlers would be perfectly happy living within a Palestinian sovereign State and it is only Palestinian racism that makes the Palestinians believe that the Settlements are not a plan to annex the West Bank?
     
  11. Setantawatchl

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    What are you talking about
    The first sentence is incoherent
     
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    SwordOfStCatherine

    SwordOfStCatherine Legend Political Irish Battle Royale

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    The Settlements- often paid for by the government though and protected by the IDF who you would think have enough on their hands are making a Palestinian State impossible, because we know that the Settlers wouldn't want to live under sovereign Palestinian rule. This means that increasingly now the only option is a One State Solution.
     
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  13. Setantawatchl

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    More BdS cult speak
    Think for yourself
    Make your own arguments
     
  14. OP
    SwordOfStCatherine

    SwordOfStCatherine Legend Political Irish Battle Royale

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    Ah would you stop it!

    Look I watch and read American Jewish Zionist stuff made for Jewish Zionists on the web occasionally to get an insight into their thinking processes. One of the characters on this, and this is from a broadcasting company that presents BDS as ipso facto EVIL makes the exact same point about the Settlements. Norman Finkelstein who is actually quite critical of BDS would be considered by these people akin almost to an SS man.

     
  15. Anglophile

    Anglophile Member Political Irish

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    SwordOfStCatherine

    SwordOfStCatherine Legend Political Irish Battle Royale

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    This reminds of the "Peace People's Women's Movement" in the darkest days of the Troubles which was used cynically by both the UK State, the parts of the Southern Establishment who under no circumstances wanted a united Ireland for less than noble reasons and Political Unionism. It accomplished nothing Tele. John Major having to deal with and ultimately crush the Monday Club in the Conservative Party in his efforts to bring an end to the Troubles are interesting. Even if the "Peace People's" founder was sincere they played right into the hands of those in the UK State who wanted a very brutal military victory.
     
  17. Anglophile

    Anglophile Member Political Irish

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    Accept the GFA - and that you and the Shinners/Provos didn't get what yiz wanted.....:cool:
     
  18. Generation Snowflake

    Generation Snowflake Member Political Irish

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    Liberal left jews, who have had previously spearheaded the leftist/liberal movements, are being pushed out of these same movements if they do not denounce Zionism.
    I think this is why BDS is getting traction on the left and the threat of making Israel look like the old apartheid south africa is what scares them ?

    Most of these right leaning movements in Europe are pro zionist or at least not anti.
    I doubt Israel is worried about europe, especially looking at the opposition example Sweden, it may be a great prop tool for them and the right in europe when Sweden eventually falls apart.

    KSA and Israel look to be coming better and better buddies as time goes on, at least more publicly.




    How BDS Is Pushing Jewish Students Out of Social Justice Activism How BDS Is Pushing Jewish Students Out of Social Justice Activism
    "Much has been written about the rise of intersectionality, and how the academic theory claiming that all forms of oppression are connected, when applied to the real world, has encouraged the formation of coalitions between American progressives and pro-Palestinian activists. But it has also led to the erosion of traditional ties on which Jews have long relied."

    http://www.newsmax.com/AlanDershowitz/black-lives-matter-bds-lgbt/2016/08/24/id/745027/ Are Jews Being Pressured to Renounce Israel?
    "Hard-left activists are trying to exclude Jews, who do not renounce Israel, from “progressive” organizations."

    Malmö, Sweden: Where BDS brings together Islamist and Leftist anti-Semites Malmö, Sweden: Where BDS brings together Islamist and Leftist anti-Semites

    Liberal US rabbis call on Israel to lift travel ban on BDS leaders Liberal US rabbis call on Israel to lift travel ban on BDS leaders
    "More than 200 rabbis from the liberal movements of American Judaism signed a letter opposing Israel’s travel ban on leaders of the boycott movement against Israel."

    Right-wing Zionism, white supremacy and the BDS
    "When right-wing Jewish organisations in the United States and Israel embrace white nationalists and neo-Nazis - and support an American president who makes open appeals to them - they reveal the inherent flaws in their argument that the BDS (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions) movement against the Israeli occupation of the Palestinians is anti-Semitic. Even worse, these hardliners may have more in common ideologically with white nationalists than they care to admit."

    Direct from Tel Aviv to Mecca? Israel tries to arrange Hajj flights for Muslim pilgrims Direct From Tel Aviv to Mecca? Israel Tries to Arrange Hajj Flights for Muslim Pilgrims
    "Britain's The Times reported last month that the two countries were negotiating the establishment of economic ties that would include allowing Israeli businesses to operate in the Gulf and letting Israel's El Al airline fly over Saudi airspace. Allowing Hajj pilgrims to travel to Mecca by direct flight may could constitute a feasible first step."
    "Over the past two years there have also been reports in Arabic-language media that Saudi Arabia's new crown prince, anti-Iranian hardliner Mohammed bin Salman, had met with Israeli officials.
    According to the reports, one such meeting took place in Eilat in 2015, and another on the margins of the Arab summit in Jordan this March. There are also regular meetings between Saudi and Israeli officers in the joint war room where Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the United States coordinate."
     
  19. Setantawatchl

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    You make no sense
    You are so influenced by the cult that your rhetoric is determined by them

    Think for yourself

    Zionism isn't a bad word it's just a word to hid your anti jewishness this is encouraged by the cult leaders

    THINK FOR YOURSELF
     
  20. OP
    SwordOfStCatherine

    SwordOfStCatherine Legend Political Irish Battle Royale

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    No you think for yourself and stop blaming BDS for every criticism of Zionists.

    The Zionist settlers in the West Bank do not want to live in a Palestinian State. Do you think the Right Wing Zionist government wants them to?
     
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