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"Plato, Hitler and Totalitarianism".

Discussion in 'Religion' started by SwordOfStCatherine, Apr 25, 2017.

  1. SwordOfStCatherine

    SwordOfStCatherine Legend Political Irish

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    Plato is probably with St Paul the most important Religious thinker in our Civilization, and holds an equally important place within the Byzantine and Shia Muslim ones as well. A genius of such great proportions and influence that he is impossible to ignore or brush aside. However he is a thinker that the Post-Modern world is extremely uneasy about and is seen as a fountain of evil by many Liberals going back to the dawn of Liberalism. I have read both Hitler's Mein Kampf and Table Talk and I was not impressed at all- so I have been puzzled by Libtards labelling some of my posts Nazi, I don't see myself as a Fascist either. However I am most definitely a Platonist and I believe now that is where this accusations are coming from.

    I am used to Liberal rants against Plato so I found this Alt-Right take on his relationship to Nazism interesting. In it he claims that Werner Jaeger was a National Socialist intellectual which I would object- he never joined the NSADP and his usually presented as an Anti-Nazi, he did though define Culture as essentially the Aristocratic Ideal of a Nation increasing Intellectualized which I'm sure would cause some people a lot of distress. It interests me a lot also that Thomas Jefferson loathed Plato so much. That I was not aware of.

    However in justice to the Alt-Righter he admits that Plato cannot be as he put it saddled with Hitler;

    "Plato’s notorious attacks on the poets and Homer in particular could also be justifiably aimed at Hitler: the poet’s masterful manipulation of the public’s emotions overpowers their reason and blinds them to reality. Hitler himself was well-read and something of an intellectual, but he was obviously not of a philosophical temperament, but rather of an artistic one. No one would deny that he had an incredible ability to intoxicate himself and his followers through the power of the spoken word, inspiring all who would listen to join together and sacrifice in an epic struggle for greatness.

    Secondly and more briefly, Hitler’s highest end in politics was evidently the maximization of his racial state’s power, notably military power. Plato and Aristotle considered martial states to be superior to those dedicated to commerce or pleasure, but still second to the best state: that dedicated to philosophy.

    A third difference: Plato and Aristotle put a high value on the rule of law. By this, they did not just mean the modern attachment to rules and procedure, but rather a basic law which stipulates and trains the citizens for a specific way of life. Hitler was quite contemptuous of law. (I would also note that Hitler did agree with the philosophers in believing that there was a law of nature, a law with which politics should be in harmony.)
    All in all, I would not saddle Plato with Hitler. Though I do believe – in my mystical moments, listening to Dan Houser or watching Aguirre, the Wrath of God – that, through the dark mists that necessarily shroud human existence, Plato and Hitler saw the sublime rays of the same glorious Sun.

    If one must look for ancient antecedent to Hitler, it was not Plato, but Lycurgus, the Spartan lawgiver. In both Sparta and the Third Reich, one has militarism, natalism, eugenics, and unabashed rule over racial inferiors. Hitler himself wrote in his unpublished Second Book, “Sparta must be regarded as the first ethnostate.” Observers such as Ezra Pound also noted the similarity between the two states."

    Guillaume Durocher, "Plato, Hitler, & Totalitarianism" | Counter-Currents Publishing
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