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Poll: Is Iran A Natural Ally Of The West In The Fight Against Terror?

Discussion in 'Foreign Affairs' started by maxflinn, Sep 19, 2017.

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Is Iran a natural ally in our fight against Wahhabi terrorism?

  1. Yes.

    66.7%
  2. No.

    33.3%
  1. The Potato Mystic

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    All my indicators are reading 'no', 'no' and 'no' on a hot war with Iran. Whereas I knew when Afghanistan was invaded, Iraq would be next.

    Firstly it might be claimed Deep State will circumvent Trump and force a hot war on him.

    The reason I don't think this will come to fruition is because this would imperil American imperial interests.

    In the event of a hot war with Iran, Iran will close the straights of Hormuz, the most critical oil-energy waterway on the planet thus imperiling critical nodes of the American imperial network such as Saudi Arabia. America's string of Middle Eastern client states would be brought to its knees with grave implications upon America's broader global hegemony. Deep State does not want this.

    Rather by Deep State merely containing Iran by menacing it via sanctions or by indirectly sponsoring colour revolutions so as to trigger an internal coup is optimum for Deep State. Iran is nervous and uncertain but war hasn't reached critical mass in that closing the Straights would do anything for Iran but obliterate the Iranian economy. Whereas in a hot war for survival the Iranians lose nothing by going scorched earth on the straights.

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    Insofar as Trump himself is concerned, his regime has followed his electioneering remarkably well. He never said he was a non-interventionist and he hasn't been one. He campaigned roughly on a Reaganite platform with some Kissinger-esque brute pragmatism in the mix and he's largely followed that blueprint. That's not a particularly moral blueprint of course but if I could chose between the pragmatism of the gangster and the schizophrenia of the pyromaniac, then I'll hungrily chose the former every time

    The issue with a rightist challenge to the neocons is that a pragmatic discourse of the trad rightist sounds "peacenik" and gets outmaneouvered with the hyper-militarist jngoistic rhetoric of the neocon.

    Trump won the election and continues to confound neocon madness because his demogoguery out-demoagogued them, making them look weak compared to him and nutty whilst Trump himself manages imperial overeach.

    Obviously the neocons are still there so there's a war within the US establishment and Trump has had to concede ground to the pyromaniacs. But he has outmaneouvered them with ultra-demoagoguery and thus won space to manage imperial overreach.

    Trump's jingoistic pride hurts his statesmanship certainly. But he is a businessman, he has understood and articulated why Bush was so calamitous for the American economuy and he doesn't expand that damage to American interests by many multiples with a hot war on Iran, an Iran that has teeth moreover unlike Iraq. He'll blitz them with sanctions, troll them to high heavens but I don't see a generalised hot war coming from him either.

    In short, the American Empire thrives on instability, localised proxy wars, color revolutions and the like. A generalised, hot war on a global scale would imperil American imperial interests and I don't believe either Deep State nor Trump will do that. The demagoguery for public and media consumption is probably the most superficial metric in getting an accurate reading of these things.







     
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    Some good points there TPM. It appears Bernie Sanders too sees pulling out of the JCPOA as a pointless exercise that will only isolate the US:

     
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    Israeli spokesman Donald Trump is about to make his long anticipated speech on Iran.

    It will be full of lies. Probably written for him by the Israel lobby.
     
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    My god, what a sickening stream of blatant lies and anti-Iranian propaganda he spewed. Utterly disgusting!

    The man is a cunt!
     
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    Iran's Revolutionary Guard guide their proxies from Hezbollah in Lebanon, to the Huthi in Yemen, to Shia militia in Iraq and Syria.

    Good to see someone tackling the scumbags...:cool:
     
  6. The Potato Mystic

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    Time for the great Iranian nation to test fire a few of those missiles. Gotta keep them in tip top state in case the US Empire of Chaos comes aknockin'.
     
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    That's the bottom line. The Septics will attack without fail on the first sign of weakness. But, as we see in the case of the DPRK, the Septics are not stupid enough to attack a people who have the means and the will to fight back.
     
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    Well, Trump has managed to alienate Russia, China (obviously), Britain (state visit downgraded, lol) , the ME (Saud, Turkey signing big deals with Russia) South America and Europe, lol.

    Trump's Presidency is just a gift that keeps on giving. I couldn't be happier with the guy. :thumbsup:



     
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    Amen to that.
     
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    Write in Argentina, Bulgaria, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Yemen and Iraq in the Iran section like a good young
    imbecile - and don't be falling for immature, undergraduate Leftist bull sh it drivel like that....:cool:
     
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    That's a damning indictment. Too bad we ever believed we could project "authority" through military might, and that's on the wane too. Everyone had a good laugh when Smedley Butler proclaimed, "War is a racket" and after Eisenhower warned of the military-industrial complex.
     
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    This is why I dub the US 1. The US Empire of Chaos 2. the global pyromaniac

    And when the global pyromaniac -- who's given to spasms of hallucinations -- comes aknocking with his crate of kerosine you need to be damned sure you are armed to the teeth to protect you and your fellows.

     
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    This guy thought he was the master of lies and propaganda:

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    He wasn't. This guy is:



     
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    I'd actually say Yahoo is a fairly lousy propagandist. This is the character who was there at the UN with the Wily Coyote bomb cartoon cue-card trying to persuade us that Iran is months away from a "bomb". A schtick he'd been doing on and off since the 80s.

    It's a measure of how deeply ingrained the taboos that protect Zionism are that he gets away such manifest clowning around.
     
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    This interview with retired US Colonel Larry Wilkerson, who was involved in the build-up to Israel's proxy war against Iraq, is essential viewing if you want to understand what's now happening wrt Iran, specifically the role of the US/Israeli terror group: the Neocons.

    Basically, he says nothing short of Iran's destruction will satisfy Israel and its Neocons, who he says are running rings around Trump:

     
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    Good point about the taboos protecting Zionism. There's no doubt that Jews in positions of power are prone to less scrutiny than non-Jews.

    I recall the recent meeting between the war criminal Netanyahu and the leader of the UK Regime: May.

    Netanyahu lied through his teeth about Iran while May sat alongside him uneasily and vaguely nodding in agreement.

    It was as if she was scared to voice her own opinion and to counteract his blatant lies.

    As Wilkerson says in the above video: take out Iran and both Iraq and Syria will fall to the Wahhabi terrorists as Iran is containing them all.

    This would mean total chaos and millions more fleeing to Europe. But are European leaders standing up against Israel and the Neocons and demanding that no such war takes place?

    Are they fuck! But they bloody well should be!
     
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