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Should the site owners form a Co-op/Investment club.

Discussion in 'Chat' started by Youngdan, Sep 8, 2017.

  1. Youngdan

    Youngdan Moderator Staff Member Moderator Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    It is time to bring this group of posters to the next level imho. What we have here is about 35 people who post regularly and about another 35 who post every now and then, and maybe there are 600 regular readers. Maybe many more readers for all I know. I just checked the other site and there are about 650 viewers there at the moment. Maybe it is 10 times as large.
    Take P.ie. It has been around for about 15 years or whatever and it used to have some serious people posting there in the old days, but yet it has achieved absolutely nothing to my knowledge. Despite it's large number, it could not even get about 20 people together to form a political party as far as I know, unless Identity Ireland sprang from there. Take politicalworld as well , it now is certainly less active than here, is a lefty echo chamber and serves no purpose whatsoever.
    I propose that the admins/owners form an investment club or co-operative. Surely there are 25 posters here that would invest say 10 euro a week, which I believe is 2 pints of Guinness to be part of a club. The money could be used for whatever was decided by the club. Let's take a basic example. I know a woman who a year ago opened a bakery, she had a talent and off she went. The objective would be to find that person and fund her. The venture could be anything at all.
    Perhaps you could get a greater number of people and the possibilities are greater.

    It would be up to the site owners to run with this though and do the paperwork. What they have is a group of people who would trust them and even better , a platform to get the word out.

    It certainly would take any forum up a notch and give it a real world extra reason to exist.
     
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  2. Antóin Mac Comháin

    Antóin Mac Comháin Respected Member

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    A) Gaelic Documentary: Am Pàipear


    B) English Documentary: Am Pàipear


    C) Gaelic Documentary: Craigard Day Centre


    D) English Documentary: Furniture Restoration Project

    Oisn i dTír na Liaogach

    Tháinig sé ar an Giofan bán
    Ó Tír na Liaogach leis fhéin,
    An Glomhach a d’fhág na Fianna tráth
    Is d’imigh leis i gcéin.

    - Súil amháin ar an mbóthar

    The first documentary, A, is in Gaelic, and the second one, B, is in English. The title is self-explanatory. C and D are in Gaelic and English.

    The poem from Súil amháin ar an mbóthar - One Eye On The Road, is a sample of the material that was used when myself and a few others put a Community Magazine together when I was a teenager.

    It didn't last long, but it was a marketable product, and the idea was that the profits would be invested into a Phase 2 project, which doesn't necessarily have to be furniture restoration, but Arts and Crafts is what I would sell if it was up to me, or if I was in your shoes.

    The documentaries were sourced from Island Voices - Guthan nan Eilean, and there's a few more that are in both English and Gaelic, which you may find useful.

    The problem with creative ideas in Ireland of that nature, is that someone will bend over backwards to destroy it: The problem with Socialism being the Socialists, but the best of luck to you if you give it a go.
     
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    Youngdan

    Youngdan Moderator Staff Member Moderator Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    It has always been a mystery to me why socialists don't form a coop. I guess they just prefer to talk about things and expect an actual real worker to feed them.
     
  4. Antóin Mac Comháin

    Antóin Mac Comháin Respected Member

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    If the workers were paying me £2,000 a week, I wouldn't be interested in Socialism either.

    Quite a few of the soccer clubs in Ireland formed successful Coops, Cork City being the best example, but that was through necessity.
     
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    Youngdan

    Youngdan Moderator Staff Member Moderator Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    Surely a co-op would pay any of it's workers what they were worth. Money does not grow on trees though, so if a person is worth F All then that is what they should be paid.
     
  6. Superhans

    Superhans Site Admin Staff Member Site Admin Donator Battle Royale

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    Certainly an interesting idea, something we could and should look at.

    Let's see what everyone else thinks.
     
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    Youngdan

    Youngdan Moderator Staff Member Moderator Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    Maybe a pm could be sent to all members. Then even departed members might be interested and have a reason to return. Maybe if 10 was too much then it could be anything like 5 or even 2. It is amazing how quickly a decent sum could be raised. If the number of people were 30 then it would build nicely.

    I am going to start an investment club here. The paperwork is a pain.
     
  8. Sinbad

    Sinbad Member Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    I don't think it would work, people don't like parting with cash.

    That said, id love to see something done, something positive. Id like to think the site has a majority of people with the same opinions and outlooks, maybe you need to provide more information on your ideas Dan.
     
  9. Sinbad

    Sinbad Member Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    With that said, Ill donate 20 euro to the site now.
     
  10. Olli Rehn

    Olli Rehn Legend Battle Royale Political Irish

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    Ok- I support the idea.
    Here is my contribution:

    [​IMG]

    Just download the money as often as you like....
     
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    Youngdan

    Youngdan Moderator Staff Member Moderator Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    I am assuming that people know what an investment club is and how it work. Say there is 10 people in a club giving 10 euro a week. After a year there is 5200 in there. Let's say they decide to buy the stock of some Irish company. That company will either go up or it will go done, but regardless, each member will still own 10% of it. It could conceivably double so then everyone would have a stake worth 1040 euro. If instead it halved then each person would be worth 260. So you are not parting with money in the sense that you are making a donation. You are hoping for a bit of luck and to use your patience. One should not join if the amount needed will greatly impact the person. Some people do it for entertainment and a pastime

    Many people have this thing about worrying about a token amount but will think nothing of going to The All Ireland for example. How much does it cost there if a person was foolish enough to buy The Irish Times each day for a year.
     
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    Youngdan

    Youngdan Moderator Staff Member Moderator Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    Olli is a good example of older people in Ireland.
     
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    Youngdan

    Youngdan Moderator Staff Member Moderator Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    Anyway, it is up to the site owners to do this, I would just join like everyone else.

    I will be setting one up here(in Massachusetts myself) though in a couple of months and I will keep everyone briefed on that effort.
     
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  14. amsterdemmetje

    amsterdemmetje Member Political Irish

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    As probably the best poster on this site I should be chairman.
     
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    Youngdan

    Youngdan Moderator Staff Member Moderator Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    It was a suggestion for the owners, to develop something real. It is more than likely far too ambitious it seems.
     
  16. Antóin Mac Comháin

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    Submissions, in the form of 200 word abstracts or complete articles, should be addressed to the editors at ethnomusicologyireland@operamail.com
    For consideration for inclusion in the next edition, complete articles must be submitted for review by 1st July of each calendar year. Ethnomusicology Ireland welcomes articles that are supplemented with multimedia materials. Books, disks and events for review in the journal should be submitted to meabh.nifhuarthain@nuigalway.ie Our style guide for accepted articles can be downloaded here.

    The functions of ICTM Ireland include:

    (a) the holding of conferences and colloquia in Ireland;
    (b) publications;
    (c) forming of national sub-committees and study groups;
    (d) issuing of audio-visual materials
    (e) encouraging national and international archives for all types of music and dance in Ireland, including traditional, folk, popular, classical and urban music, and dance
    (f) facilitating the exchange of information in any form pertaining to all types of music and dance in Ireland, including electronic files, films, recordings and publications
    (g) supporting the organisation of festivals of performing arts in Ireland
    (h) cooperating with broadcasting organizations.

    There's a very good article, 'Colin Harte Teaching the Tunes: Understanding the Role of Irish Traditional Music in Higher Education in North America', JOURNAL « ICTM Ireland, dealing with the history of Irish Trad music within the education system.

    If you decide to opt for an arts Coop, the ICTM may be of interest to you. You tick 5 of the boxes between A and H.
     
  17. Antóin Mac Comháin

    Antóin Mac Comháin Respected Member

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    Youngdan

    Youngdan Moderator Staff Member Moderator Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    Spamming and thread derailing may be a bigger problem on this site than I realized.
     
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    anderson Respected Member Battle Royale Political Irish

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    Not quite sure what you are asking here YoungDan.

    Do you want to make something political or are you looking to create something to make money?
     
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    Youngdan

    Youngdan Moderator Staff Member Moderator Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    I suppose neither really. I was thinking of something to give the site some real meaning or increased function. For example P.ie, even thought it is as successful as possible in what it is, still has not made any real world impact at all.
    That site by now should have a reporter or a utube channel or something any. It has nothing.
     
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