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Should the site owners form a Co-op/Investment club.

Discussion in 'Chat' started by Youngdan, Sep 8, 2017.

  1. Tadhg Gaelach

    Tadhg Gaelach Legend Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    I think there's a problem with what you're suggesting. The admins have been very careful not to take an editorial line, but to allow the membership to direct the content of the site. If they were to commission articles or videos, they would automatically have to take an editorial line. They then become pushers of some agenda - as the main stream media organs are. Then you quickly find yourself fronting for a particular political movement, or sectional interest. I get the impression that those who set this site up wanted to avoid that.

    Btw. I wouldn't say this site has had no impact. We have shown that it's possible to make reasoned and well thought out arguments that the régime is normally able to dismiss as uneducated and not meriting of response. The likes of Facebook and Twitter don't lend themselves to that kind of reasoned argument.
     
  2. jmcc

    jmcc Member Political Irish

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    Some of those might be search engine spiders and web scrapers. However, this site is somewhat freeer than others. People have also changed their reading habits with online fora in that they tend to pick and choose what they read now whereas in the past they would read everything in some sub-forums.

    There has been a malignant Labourite influence on some threads over the past few years. Back in the day, P.ie was the go-to site for political discussion and a lot of this was due to David Cochrane's promotion of his site and his interest in politics. When the Irish Times recruited him, he had to sell the site (to Pie Media Limited). The site went through another ownership change. It has lost a lot of key posters and there has been quite a rise of malignant posters with one line "replies" who try to derail threads. It still has some important political posters but they rarely post now. The other factor with P.ie is that it is an event driven site in that it depends on political events for its traffic. Polls get published and traffic spikes. Then it falls away. The whole 2016 US presidential election is fought out again by people who just cannot come to terms with the fact that HRC lost and Trump won. These people are constantly in search of new enemies to blame for HRC's loss. The site has no real competition with Boards.ie as that site's political forum had been massively overmoderated to the extent that it was like some college debating society for the perpetually bewildered.

    PW does serve a purpose and it does bring together some views not found much on P.ie or here. Like most political discussion sites, it has its audience.

    It is an interesting idea and sounds a bit like a microfinancing venture. Talent alone is not enough. Success in business requires persistence. But it is a kind of real-world connection that Boards.ie has been doing with various charitable works for years. While Boards.ie concentrates on charitable activities rather than direct business involvement, this take is quite interesting.
     
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    Youngdan

    Youngdan Moderator Staff Member Moderator Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    Well P.ie and PW are only pale comparisons to what they were anyway.
    The whole idea is to create something real and tangible. An investment club would be ideal as it could function with only a couple of grand.

    It is something the site owners would have to set up.
     
  4. Antóin Mac Comháin

    Antóin Mac Comháin Respected Member

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    Politics.ie - The Bray Wanderers Own Goal thread

    July - 2017


    *Hundreds march on Dublin's Hellfire Club to protest against €19m plans*

    Hundreds of protesters marched to Dublin's Hellfire Club to protest against the proposed €19m tourist development of the site.

    Plans put forward by Dublin County Council include a visitor centre, restaurant, cafe and large car park.

    The council hopes the development will attract up to 300,000 visitors a year.

    However, more than 250 protesters turned out as part of the "Save the Hellfire" campaign.

    "There is a huge groundswell of people who are against this development," said organiser Elizabeth Davidson.

    "They don't want this beautiful environment spoiled in favour of commercial development.

    "People come up here to relax, clear their head, walk the dog and bring their family out for a lovely free day and they don't want to see it commercialised."

    Among the speakers at the event was TD Richard Boyd Barrett and Green Party leader Eamon Ryan. - https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j...qYRvoyFabY99Vg

    2012 - Dylan2010 [​IMG] I really dont mean to be patronising but I couldnt follow a word of what you are talking about. How do you expect Joxer and the gang to row in behind this

    2017 - Mushroom [​IMG]In what kind of a deformed intellect can the above drivel be linked to the nonsensical post about Roy Keane and Cobh Ramblers to which I originally responded?

    2017 - Roberto Jordan [​IMG]Wow.... First the Lisbon metropolitan area has a population of over 2 million...what you are referencing is a historical city limit.....like taking Dublin between the canals....

    2017 - Northsideman [​IMG] Now you've really lost it, not a chance those areas would support a LOI club. Are these going to be fan owned community clubs or owned by business interests or Delany's friends? Where will they play? Who will pay for and develope the grounds? Are they to be new or existing clubs? Will the players be local or will they be imports from Brazil? You should ask Delaney for a promotions managers job, you have it all figured out[​IMG]

    The fan-run co-op aims to have the new operation for the club up and running by November

    Supporters trust to take full ownership of Ireland’s Wexford FC

    September - 2017

    Wexford Supporters Trust (WST) is to take full ownership of Ireland’s First Division team Wexford FC, it has been announced.

    WST, a supporters-run co-operative, aims to have the new model for the club up and running by November.

    It says membership of the club is open to everyone, with all members having an equal say on the club’s matters, with a fee of €20 for ten months of the year.

    The governing body will be elected on a one person, one vote basis.

    In a statement on the club’s website, the trust said: “We are delighted to move our club to a community-focused model and are thoroughly committed to being a valuable and important element of the community of County Wexford and the entire south-east region.

    “The change will move Wexford FC to a clearer and more stable position of ownership and governance following the difficulties that faced the club in the early part of 2017.

    “This co-operative trust model has been widely adopted throughout the SSE Airtricity League, and has been successful for many other clubs in creating a stable and sustainable framework through which to run a club.”

    The move adds to the growing list of fan-owned football teams in Ireland, with Wexford FC joining – Athlone Town, Bohemians, Cork City, Derry City, Drogheda United, Dundalk, Finn Harps, Galway United, Shamrock Rovers and Sligo Rovers. - Supporters trust to take full ownership of Ireland's Wexford FC - Co ... Plaid Cymru - Co-operative News

    2012 - cathalbrugha [​IMG] Shamrock Rovers FC, and Cork City FC, have proved that James Connolly was right when he said that William Thompson was a forerunner to Karl Marx.

    2014 - MaireComerford [​IMG] I had a dream..

    2017 - Antóin Mac Comháin [​IMG]

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    'How many tickets have been sold for the forthcoming Groove Festival in Bray? 10% of the gate from one gig would be enough to pay for an entire part-time squad for a year. It would cost in the region of £100 million to buy all of the surrounding property in Dalymount to enable a 20-30,000 all-seater. Bohs, Rovers, Derry, Cork and Dundalk are incapable of attracting 20-30,000 to matches every week, but they are not incapable of attracting those type of attendances at big cup matches or in European competitions, and would easily attract such crowds to Celtic Cup competitions. The Scottish Challenge Cup in its current form is to Irish, Scottish and Welsh clubs, what the Fairs Cup was to European Football.'

    2017 - The_SR [​IMG] Now you have proven you know nothing about sport. Well done, you bluffed well there for a while.

    Sinn Féin Genius - 'The camanachd you refer to is Shinty. Known in north ulster as shinteag, prior to the GAA coming along. Prior to the formation of the GAA and the Camanachd association, it was played on both sides of the north channel. Why do you think hurling is the native sport in the Glens of Antrim, the Ards peninsula and South Derry? Because teh game was common among the locals and the fishing communites who could play it both sides of the water prior to codification.'

    Antóin Mac Comháin [​IMG]'A ballad published in 1789 describes a hurling match, possibly played as early as the 1400's, in south Wexford by Welsh settlers close to where the Normans had first landed. In this account can be found local forms of Irish sporting terms still used today - camán, cúil and báire. In the 1600's many of the Gaelic chieftans had their own teams of paid or hired hurlers. Among these were the Purcells of north Tipperary.' - A history of the GAA, Marcus de Búrca

    'Camánacht (or commoning in English) played in the northern half of the country'

    'Hurling (or iomáiníocht in Irish) confined largely to Leinster'

    'Scuaibín cross-country version played in Munster'

    'English verb 'hurl' to describe the movement of a ball, and also because in many areas the Irish verb iomáin (from the commoner tiomáin) was used to describe footballing.'
     
  5. Toby Carlton-Hogge

    Toby Carlton-Hogge Member Political Irish

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    Another reason why this site is sinking.:rolleyes:
     
  6. Antóin Mac Comháin

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    First workers' co-op reaches 30

    The UK's first community cooperative, set up to stem the tide of people deserting a small village in north Wales, is celebrating its 30th birthday.

    Antur Aelhaearn in Llanaelhaearn on the Lleyn Peninsula, was set up by most of the 210 villagers desperate to rejuvenate the declining local economy.

    The local quarry had shut, the village school was threatened with closure, and bus services to nearby Caernarfon and Pwlheli faced the axe. It was feared the village would disappear unless action was taken.

    The co-operative set up a knitting business and a pottery, and were able to create training and work opportunities for local people.

    A rural skills centre has now developed from these early ventures, providing training to keep people working in the rural community.

    Since being set up, the co-operative has inspired similar projects nationwide, and many would-be co-ops visit the village for advice before launching.

    "The concept involved in ordinary people taking the future of their village into their own hands was a brand new one in Wales and the rest of the UK in 1974," said the co-operative's first chairman and the local GP at the time, Dr Carl Clowes.

    "But it's an idea that has grown over the years with Antur regularly dealing with enquiries from communities the length and breadth of the UK seeking a similar route towards economic and social well being.

    Before long the co-operative had saved the village school from closure and re-established the annual eisteddfod there.

    Current chairman Councillor William Arthur Evans said the Antur was identified for its work creation possibilities.

    "Our very first enterprise was a knitting venture with the loom located inside a disused caravan, followed by a pottery based in a garage."

    Through donations and share capital the co-operative later raises £11,00 used to build the permanent centre which doubles as a training centre and a night school for Welsh learners and computer classes.

    Three days of celebrations marking the thirtieth anniversary will be launched on Friday by the parish priest from the island of Cape Clear, off the coast of Cork in Ireland.

    Villagers from Llanaelhaearn visited the island for advise before launching their own co-operative in 1974.

    There will also be an exhibition in the village school showing the co-operative's history, an ask-the- panel session including Plaid Cymru president Dafydd Iwan and a birthday dinner. - BBC NEWS | UK | Wales | First workers' co-op reaches 30

    Rossett's Co-op store first of company's shops to open this year in Wales

    Bosses for the community retailer are investing millions across Wales opening and refitting outlets.

    The Co-op today officially opened its first new Welsh store this year in Rossett, creating 15 jobs.

    Based on the main Chester Road running through the Wrexham village, the new £530,000 store is part of the company’s plan to create 250 retail roles across Wales. - Rossett's Co-op


    Two great success stories involving Co-ops. The first one is from 2004, and is an example of what can be achieved with scarce resources. That began life in a disused caravan, and when they succeeded in securing their own premises, it doubled as an education centre. The second one is from earlier this year. Food for thought.
     
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    Youngdan

    Youngdan Moderator Staff Member Moderator Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    Perhaps he is genuinely talking about coops on a larger scale, or maybe he is disruptive.

    The scale I am talking about is maybe 20 people putting a 100 each into a club, for a pastime. This one having the bonus advantage of giving the site something real and practical to focus on.
     
  8. Antóin Mac Comháin

    Antóin Mac Comháin Respected Member

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    There's a Housing Co-op in the Bronx which caters for 50,000 people. That's a larger population than some Irish counties. I clearly wasn't talking about a Co-op on that scale in Ireland. I'm not sure if you are familiar with Co-ops this side of the Atlantic: 'Co-operative Party members are not permitted to be members of any other political party in the UK apart from the Labour Party and the Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP) in Northern Ireland.' - Co-operative Party. How you and Toby figure out the nuts and bolts of it I don't know. I think Slick Mick and Roddy Doyle already have Toby's corner of the market snookered! :cool:
     
  9. Toby Carlton-Hogge

    Toby Carlton-Hogge Member Political Irish

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    Dan, this is the problem with this excellent and well constructed site.

    Its supposed to be about discussion and banter and exchange of ideas... is it not

    Problem is ..... Problem is it's been taken over by a bunch of batheaded screwballs who stifle all normal discourse.

    Daniel.... That's the problem...sorry for being so blunt ... but I really like the site and its potential.

    Take a look around mate!
     
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  10. Paddy Porter

    Paddy Porter Member Political Irish

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    Nailed that one Toby !Never seen such a greater gathering of scrotes outside a RyanAir Queue.! Lookit ..it is what it is ..site will be gone within 9 months ...which would be a pity ...