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The American dream - Life in the gutter

Discussion in 'USA Politics' started by Neutron, Dec 1, 2017.

  1. Neutron

    Neutron Member Political Irish

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    The American Dream RIP

    Is American a welfare country? Well, that certainly seems to be the case, not the fault of Donald Trump but the fault of Obama over the past 8 years, the work of Bush, Clinton and Bush Senior.

    As a kid growing up in Ireland I used to watch all the American TV shows and dreamed of what it must be like to live in America, how many of us wanted to live in American?

    Today as an adult I can tell America is not the place it used to be, it becomes a liberal suicidal nation that deserves to be broken apart. Maybe the South should have won the civil war if they could only see what it has become.

    Brought to you by capitalism, selfishness, arrogance, and human slightly-advanced-ape hypocrisy.

    Society is rotten to the core - corrupt, insane, and perverse.

    I still have a maniacal laugh now and then when I think about how the majority of people go to 'work' for 8+ hours a day earning 'money' that does not even exist in reality (fiat currency), slaving their entire adult lives away so they can 'purchase' land that wasn't created by a human, yet arbitrarily declared as the 'ownership' of someone.

    And then there are the people who believe in 'democracy' and that 'voting' for a narcissistic capitalist will somehow deliver them from the pain that narcissistic capitalists are a strong contributing factor too.

    Sadly the American Dream is dead.

    If you haven't figured this out yet then you are part of the problem.


    One-third of American households can’t afford food, shelter or medical care

    Nearly half of Americans have a tough time paying their bills, and over one-third have faced hardships such as running out of food, not being able to afford a place to live, or not having enough money to pay for medical treatment.

    Those are some of the grim findings from the federal Consumer Financial Protection Bureau’s first-ever survey of financial well-being, released Tuesday.

    The numbers parallel MarketWatch’s own State of the American Wallet dashboard, which tracks how Americans are faring financially with data that updates in real time.

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    One-third of American households can’t afford food, shelter or medical care
     
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  2. Greengoose

    Greengoose Member Political Irish

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    Do you live in Ireland or the US?
     
  3. Tadhg Gaelach

    Tadhg Gaelach Legend Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    I think we Irish always had a very distorted idea of what the USA was all about. Particularly since, with no small justification, we felt that the Irish had built it. But, in reality, the Irish only put in the brute strength to build it. It was not shaped in our image, but in the image of those who had perpetrated Holocaust on us. And they did so by perpetrating another Holocaust on the Native of that land.
     
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    Neutron

    Neutron Member Political Irish

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    I have lived in the US in the past ( 3 Months), but I live in Ireland.
     
  5. Tadhg Gaelach

    Tadhg Gaelach Legend Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    As for the American Dream. This was that an ordinary worker, doing an ordinary decent job, could afford a clean and safe home, get married, and bring up children that would be a little better off than he was. It was a dream of moderate prosperity. Which, ironically, was also the dream of Communism. After 1989, it seems that neither dream could be allowed to exist.
     
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  6. Greengoose

    Greengoose Member Political Irish

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    Three months is not long enough to appreciate the flavour of the place. On the other hand, what you say can be attributed equally to the Irish Republic so I'm wondering what your angle is. Are you in the comparing mode?
     
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    Neutron

    Neutron Member Political Irish

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    I understand how bad Ireland is, this is a thread about America. A country I envied and a country I would have loved to have lived in permanent one time.

    Today I cant say the same and this thread is to discuss its fall from Grace, will Trump be able to save IT? I think not, decades of selfishness and self-thinking has put it to the point of no return.

    Ireland does play a port in all this, as Trump tries to save his country he will try and recall US business back home, we have already seen calls for this, and the saying goes, If America sneezes we can the cold.
     
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  8. Tadhg Gaelach

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    I really do hope that Trumps calls the multinationals back home. That's Ireland's only hope, as these multinationals are the main magnet drawing mass immigration into Ireland.
     
  9. GodsDog

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    "It's called the american dream,
    because you have to be asleep to believe it"
    - George Carlin

     
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  10. Youngdan

    Youngdan Moderator Staff Member Moderator Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    The problem with this thread is that you think the US is a capitalist country. There is over 100 million people living off the government. Also the federal government spends 4.5 trillion a year.
    This is a socialist country.
     
  11. The Potato Mystic

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    America is a capitalist country. The capitalists are the shot callers and have deformed the state to serve their interests.
     
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    Good or bad thing?

    Would it thrive better as a capitalist country?
     
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  13. Tadhg Gaelach

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    You don't seem to want to accept that social welfare is one of the main ways the Capitalists extract profit from the economy. Prisons and police are top earners for the Capitalists - as is the military. Also providing social housing and health care. I should think Walmart would go our of business immediately if its workers weren't getting food stamps and other benefits from the state. And the best of it all - this is practically risk free profit. Needless to say, the entire US banking system was incorporated into the social welfare system after 2008.
     
  14. GodsDog

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    Well it's certainly socialist for the rich all right! Wall street's losses are socialised and underwritten by the poor serfs.
    But it's unforgiving neoliberalism for the poor!

    People are kicked off welfare after a year and left to rot invisibly homeless in tent cities, or constantly moved on all the time by police.
    proper medical care is unaffordable for the poor. Education is crap unless you have money for a good school and the poor can be sent to prison
    if they don't attend school (yes!) City dwellers have to rent housing at extortionate prices.
    Some warped version of socialism that is!!

    Sorry YoungDan, but the US system does the bare minimum for it's ordinary citizens to prevent revolution in the streets. It cannot even remotely be described as socialism. it's actually neoliberalism gone mad, Only a right wing propagandist would try to sell the lie that it is socialist.
    It's nothing but a right wing militarised police surveillance fascist state.
    Fascist as defined by Mussolini. i.e. the complete merging of the state and corporate interests

    Sadly this "every rat for himself" excuse for a society is what FG scum aspire to for Ireland
     
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  15. The Potato Mystic

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    Capitalism is not going to object to welfare.

    Welfare keeps consumers afloat sufficiently to keep buying product.

    Capitalism loves it when the state picks up the tab because that's a guaranteed payment to the capitalist.
     
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  16. GodsDog

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    It's a fine balance.

    More welfare means less chance of revolution and more sales but less tax breaks for the rich.
    Less welfare means more tax breaks for the rich but less sales, more crime and the great unwashed get restless.

    Ideally they'd cut welfare altogether and leave the great unwashed to rot, pay no taxes and then only sell stuff to the rich,
    while backing repressive state policing policies and invest in private prisons!
     
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  17. Youngdan

    Youngdan Moderator Staff Member Moderator Donator Battle Royale Political Irish

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    What is needed is what is correctly known as The Free Enterprise System.
    You can't even be a barber here without a license
     
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  18. Tadhg Gaelach

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    And can you think of anywhere on earth that ever existed?
     
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    As luck would have it, I am engaged in this said system at the moment so must ignore the mad barking of the Divine Canine.
     
  20. Tadhg Gaelach

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    So The Free Enterprise System does exist in the USA then? Why did you say it was needed?