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The German federal election, 2017

Discussion in 'Elections' started by Kershaw, Sep 23, 2017.

  1. Generation Snowflake

    Generation Snowflake Member Political Irish

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    Blood and Soil, ffs, they are really pushing the nazi rhetoric.
     
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    I wasn't really paying much attention the German elections, Always knew the Germans would vote back in Merkel, don't think they have gone through enough self-pity yet and are still looking for forgiveness for ww2.

    I always believed that the CDU/CSU would get 36-38% and proceed to form their coalition with the FDP, or just continue the arrangement with the SPD, similar to Ireland with FF/FG or the Uk with Conservative/Labour.

    Amazingly the election for German standards was much more exciting than that, short of actually losing power, Merkel could not have got a worse result. Because the SPD also had a disastrous election, Merkel just managed 32.9%. Instead of forming her Coalition with the FDP, she is looking at picking up seats from them and the Greens.

    Merkel is now going to have to watch her step and be prepared to play more internal politics to keep her position as Chancellor, the AFD now have a strong voice, government money and close to 100 seats, they will be nitpicking at everything and highlight anything they feel is in their interest. This kind of movement has been compared to that of the NAZI party in the 1930`s and regardless of your politics, Merkel will now have one eye on the AFD and one eye on her own government.

    Merkel will now lose her crown as the unofficial leader of the EU, in steps, Junker and Macron who are already bidding for European reform and leading the way for a new Europe with or without her. Merkel, in short, is now in the same position as May, leading a government that has very little support of the people and just holding onto power. As the doors remain open to the world and the floodgates continue to be opened up to anyone who can make it to Europe and in particular Germany, Merkel will find her support dwindling fast, and with her own government split on what to do it makes for very interesting few years ahead.
     
  4. Dublin 4

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    Thankfully for Theresa she has Labour Leave MP's & the DUP to back her up.

    Merkel now has previous Non Voters feeling the benefit of for Voting AFD, more Atrocities unfortunately & the EZ Crisis brewing in Italy as Macron implodes...
     
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    Kershaw

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    Why voters shifted to AfD in the 2017 German election

     
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    Kershaw

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    AfD plan a torch-lit rally to the Reichstag. SPD MP who was not returned loses her mind.

     
  7. Tadhg Gaelach

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    Lol. they'll have to bring in a system like France where every election is rigged against any patriotic party.
     
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  8. colm from clonmel

    colm from clonmel Member Political Irish

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    I'm hoping that this is a strategic move. it would seem obvious that Petry would be an asset to any political party, Better to have her resign straight away at how extreme the party has become. Sit tight for 5 years.

    Another 5 years of the locals being beaten-up, raped and murdered and Petry can sweep in as a moderate voice. The afd need to double the vote at the next election.

    After all who would you vote for? The childless, ex-stasi, extremists genocidial maniac Angela Merkel or the moderate patriot Frauke Petry?
     
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  9. Tadhg Ó Raghallaigh

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    It is heartening that the AfD did so well, despite the concerted smear campaign waged against it by German (state-run and otherwise) and foreign media and all the major political parties. During the Elefantenrunde (a post-election broadcast in which all the party chairmen mouth platitudes and dissect the election results), there was a pile-on against Gauland, the likes of which I have never seen. He stood there stoically for what seemed to be an eternity while the others took turns savaging him. It took big stones for him to withstand that and keep his composure to boot.

    Despite Petry's and Pretzell's bailing from the parliamentary faction, antagonisms between competing wings of the party and the fact that the deck will be perenially stacked against them in the Bundestag, the AfD is at the moment Germany's last, best hope.
     
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    ‘Disaster’ for the Establishment: Merkel Government Coalition Talks in Disarray, Snap Election Looms

    Failing coalition talks are worrying many around German Chancellor Angela Merkel, including a senior figure in Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party who warned that a snap election could be a “disaster” for the establishment.

    Much of the current dispute between the three parties of the so-called “Jamaica Coalition” (named after the official colours of the parties involved) stems around asylum seekers.

    The Greens have insisted that failed asylum seekers from Afghanistan should not be deported because the country is too dangerous, while Merkel promised last year that she would seek to increase deportations of failed asylum seekers.

    Despite the promise, very few asylum seekers have been deported and Horst Seehofer, head of the CDU’s sister party the Bavarian Christian Social Union (CSU), said that large-scale deportations were “almost impossible“.

    Migrant family unification has also been a subject of disagreement, with the CDU wanting to limit the number of reunifications and the Greens arguing that no limit should exist.

    Late last month, CSU negotiator Alexander Dobrindt accused the Greens of deliberately attempting to make the talks a failure.

    “The Greens provoke the failure of Jamaica. Anyone who presents their arguments completely unreflected by the refugee crisis, the polarisation in our country, the resulting electoral successes of the AfD, and the tensions in Europe, seems to have no serious interest in forming a government,” he said.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/11/07/merkel-failing-coalition-trigger-snap-election/
     
  11. Tadhg Ó Raghallaigh

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    It seems like Breibart' s peddling a bit of pessimism porn here. The negotiations could drag on for a prolonged period of time, and as far as the CDU/CSU' s digging in its heels on family reunification of "migrants," they are all hat and no cattle. They'd sooner cuck out to the Greens than risk a snap election, in which they'll undoubtedly do worse.

    Jörg Meuthen, Chair of the AdP, has decided to become an MEP. Although I'm surprised noone has tried to go Guy Fawkes on the EP, 'cause it's worthless as tits on a boar, his presence should make for some lively polemics during debates.
     
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    Frauke Petry launches her new political movement, the Blue Party, in Rodgau near Frankfurt on Saturday, November 11



    “Blue stands for conservative as well as liberal politics in Germany and Europe. Blue is the colour that the Christian Social Union first made politically popular in Bavaria. So it has appeal across the country,” she said.

    According to election officials the Blue Party was registered on September 17th, a week before the national election.

    The 42-year-old told RND that she had lost hope in the AfD at the party convention in April when “it became apparent that the party had given a free hand to idiocy.”


    Her resignation from AfD set off a wave of desertions in the ranks of the far-right party by politicians in state parliaments. In the past two weeks 11 other AfD politicians have left party caucuses in three state parliaments, while one other Bundestag MP has left the party.

    Petry is not the first AfD leader to have left the party over its ever more radical direction. Party founder Bernd Lucke walked away in 2015, saying that he had “created a monster”.

    He subsequently set up the ALFA party (since renamed the Liberal Conservative Reformers), which did not run for election in September after abject results in recent state elections.
     
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  13. Tadhg Gaelach

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    What exactly are the radical policies of the AfD that she objects to? Encouraging German families to have German children and organising the German economy for the benefit of German families seems like very good sense to me.
     
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    German coalition talks hit by FDP walkout

    Negotiations between four parties fail to reach agreement on immigration and energy, leaving Angela Merkel facing possibility of minority government.


    Exploratory talks to form Germany’s next coalition government appeared to have collapsed shortly before midnight on Sunday when the pro-business Free Democratic Party (FDP) walked out of marathon negotiations.

    “The four discussion partners have no common vision for modernisation of the country or common basis of trust,” the FDP leader, Christian Lindner, announced after the four parties involved missed several self-prescribed deadlines to resolve differences on migration and energy policy. “It is better not to govern than to govern badly.”

    According to reports in German media, the Green party suggested a compromise over the weekend whereby they would agree to limit Germany’s annual intake of migrants to a benchmark figure of 200,000 –as long as other parties did not rule out allowing migrants with “subsidiary protection” status to be reunited with their families.

    At the start of the weekend, the FDP leader, Christian Lindner, announced a deadline for the exploratory talks. “If we don’t work it out by 6pm on Sunday, the whole thing is dead,” his deputy, Wolfgang Kubicki, said. Yet the talks went on past that deadline.

    With talks now seemingly collapsed, Merkel could seek to form a minority government, either with the FDP or the Greens, and would have to gather support from other parties on individual policy votes.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/19/german-coalition-talks-close-to-collapse-angela-merkel

    translated from German source:

    FDP breaks off Jamaica soundings

    The negotiations of CDU, CSU, FDP and Greens on a Jamaican alliance have failed after FDP representation. Faction spokesman Nils Droste said in Berlin, the Liberals withdrew from the talks.

    Party leader Christian Lindner justified the termination of the soundings after a good four weeks with lack of confidence. The four interlocutors had failed to find a basis of trust or a common idea for the modernization of the country, said Lindner. "It is better not to govern than to reign wrong," he said.

    http://www.tagesschau.de/eilmeldung/eilmeldung-3173.html
     
  15. Tadhg Ó Raghallaigh

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    I heard Alice Weidel say in a interview (around 12:45 in this video) a few days ago that the AfD would tolerate a CDU/CSU/FDP minority government without Merkel. Notwithstanding a palace coup, I don't see Merkel's leaving the stage. She's the globalists' number one cheerleader. More likely would be a CDU/CSU/Green minority government tolerated by the SPD. That would be a stretch, since they'd need to get 10%+ to get anything through.

     
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    The CDU/CSU formed a collation with the Greens (radical freaks) and the FDP (Libertarian party of Germany). They called this the Jamaica collation. It has no failed as everyone said it would. The CDU and the FDP are similar in some ways but the Greens are communists. I will explain later.

    These parties did this because they refused to work with the AfD. The AfD won over 13% of the vote and is the 3rd largest party in Germany now. AfD represents the true values of Germany but because the values of putting Germany first go against the globalist scums, they reject and ignore the AfD as if they do not exist.

    The Greens want to make everyone pay more taxes for energy, more taxes for eating meat and more taxes for everything so they can put Germany on 100% solar and wind energy which has already been proven to be a failure. The Greens also are proposing to put speed limits on the Autobahns! The Green wants open borders and 100% free chain migrations. They want to turn Germany into a dirty 3rd world country. They are the enemy along with Dei Linke (fail LOL) and SPD.

    The Jamaica collation partners Do not want a new vote! They know they will lose big votes and the AfD will win. They even said that the AfD will win another 5% making 18% and the second largest most powerful party in Germany as it should be.

    I have to give my respect to the FDP for standing up against the globalists traitors who want to destroy Germany. Respect!

    If there is no collation that includes the AfD then Germany is dead and will collapse in maybe less than 5 years.
     
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    Germany: Left-wing protesters rally on eve of AfD party conference



    One of the banners reads: “There is no German Zukunft”.
    ‘Zukunft’ means ‘Future’.
    “There is no German Future”.
    These people are actually celebrating the demise of their own people.

    [​IMG]
     
  18. Tadhg Ó Raghallaigh

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    The cops actually did something this time: They arrested demonstrators and used water cannons on them.

    Now Gauland and Meuthen are co-chairs. Good times if they can successfully keep the whip hand on the respective EP and Bundestag factions.
     
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    Kershaw

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    'Islam belongs as little to Germany as Merkel belongs in the chancellery' -Beatrix von Storch

     
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