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The Pink Clink- SF Imprisoned from a United Ireland as 57% of Nationalists won't Vote

Discussion in 'Europe' started by Dublin 4, Jan 5, 2016.

  1. Tadhg Gaelach

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    It looks like SF and the SDLP are actively working against a United Ireland. They are both subverting the Nationalist vote.
     
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  2. SwordOfStCatherine

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    I have come to conclusion that the problem with Adams and to a lesser extent some of the other leading Shinners is this; the Republican community in Northern Ireland was to a large degree unjustly demonized during the Troubles by the establishments through these Isles and before that they had to deal with an often hostile and bigoted Prod majority- so they have a hunger to be accepted.

    We all have a passion to be accepted and to a certain degree it can be something healthy- but it can also be something very dangerous and destructive.
     
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    Northern Ireland Assembly Election: It’s all over #ae16

    On the Nationalist side, the thesis of the demographic determinists ("we'll outbreed yez!") must now be in disarray.

    The Nationalist vote decreased for the fourth electoral cycle in a row; the combined SF and SDLP vote fell by over 5%.

    Both SF and the SDLP lost seats to the People Before Profit Alliance in Foyle and West Belfast; the SDLP also lost a seat to the Greens in South Belfast; the SDLP regained the seat they should not have lost last time from SF in Fermanagh and South Tyrone, but lost to them in Upper Bann.

    The new Assembly will have only 40 members from Nationalist parties, the fewest since the 1998 Good Friday Agreement.

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    http://sluggerotoole.com/2016/05/07/northern-ireland-assembly-election-its-all-over-ae16/
     
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    Brilliant Post from Slugger O'Toole;-

    JohnTheOptimist

    "Excellent post. I've posted similar myself a few times in the past 12 months.

    The results don't come as any surprise to me at all.

    They were well signposted in the 2014 Euro election and the 2015 Westminster election.

    But, the nationalist parties were blind to the signs of what was happening.

    Without doubt yesterday's results are a total disaster for nationalism in N. Ireland.

    At the turn of the century (when John Hume led it) nationalism in N. Ireland was polling in the mid-40s and pushing to go higher.

    Now its in the mid-30s and in free fall, despite an increase in the catholic proportion of the N. Ireland population since then.

    Since SF took over the leadership of N. Ireland nationalism, its been downhill all the way, Their political failure post-GFA is on a similar scale to their military failure pre-GFA.

    History will judge the entire Provisional project as a total failure in every respect, one which set back by decades the objectives it was supposedly set up to advance.

    Although a nationalist, I rejoice in the humiliation that SF and the SDLP have received in this election, on the grounds that it may lead to a radical change of direction in nationalist politics.

    The failure of the nationalist parties in N. Ireland is in stark contrast to the success of the SNP in Scotland.

    Although originating mostly from within the protestant community in Scotland (and indeed having had a fair few bigots in its ranks a generation ago), the recent SNP leadership have achieved cross-community support for the goal of Scottish independence.

    At the referendum support for independence was actually stronger in the minority catholic population than in the population as a whole.

    The best solution would be for SF and the SDLP to disband and be replaced asap by a new SNP-type nationalist party, one free of any link to violence and not tainted by sectarianism, one which could confidently articulate the increasingly-strong case for economic integration within Ireland and eventually a United Ireland.

    The SNP do similar in Scotland, so why not in N. Ireland?

    Failing that, the next best solution would be for FF to organise in N. Ireland. Indeed, its a welcome sign, but an admission of his own party's total failure, that Gerry Adams is now down on his knees begging them to do just that.

    Apart from the major problem of SF's past links to violence (which means they will never be trusted by a large section of the electorate no matter how much they now oppose violence, whether genuinely or not), the root cause of nationalism's electoral collapse is that SF and the SDLP are far more left-wing and socially liberal than the nationalist population as a whole.

    They are first and foremost socialist parties (one hard-left, the other soft-left).

    Yet, the majority of people in the Republic of Ireland are pro-business and anti-socialist.

    So, there is an immediate conflict between the goal of a United Ireland (which would certainly not be socialist) and SF's and the SDLP's wish for a socialist society.

    This makes them lukewarm at best in advocating the goal of a United Ireland, which is a marked contrast to the passion and pride that the unionist parties display in advocating N. Ireland remaining within the U. Kingdom.

    The problem is most acute with SF.

    Because they are primarily a revolutionary socialist/marxist party, rather than a nationalist party, instead of highlighting the economic success of the Republic in the past half-century, which has made it a richer country than the U. Kingdom (and much richer than N. Ireland) and using that as an argument in favour of a United Ireland, they continually portray the Republic as hell on earth.

    Then they wonder why support for uniting with it is falling.

    Likewise with social liberalism.


    Take the issue of gay marriage as an example.

    Not the most important issue, but it highlights the point.

    Most electorates across the world have been deeply split on this issue.

    Most referenda across the world have shown close enough to a 50/50 split, some in favour and some against.

    It is reasonable to assume that both communities in N. Ireland are similarly split.

    Unionist politics recognises this and, as a result, they represent the divergence of opinion on this issue.

    Some of the unionist leaders like Arlene Foster are against, while others like Mike Nesbitt are in favour.

    But, even within Mike Nesbitt's party, those who are against are not hounded out. There is a diversity of opinion. Not so with nationalist politics.

    Here, unlike every other community in the world on this issue, unanimity prevails.

    Both parties have adopted wholeheartedly the current liberal media-driven consensus on the issue and no dissent is allowed.

    Even in the more moderate SDLP, traditional nationalists opposing this social change are simply told to toe the line or get out.

    Well, they now are getting out, which is contributing to the collapse of the SDLP vote.

    That is not to say that a new nationalist party should be rabidly right-wing and conservative.

    A successful nationalist party needs to put its nationalist goal first and foremost and attract support right across the liberal/conservative spectrum.

    Unionism is achieving that at the moment, but nationalism is not.

    It has totally alienated the share of its traditional support base which is of a more conservative bent, whether in regard to economics or social issues.

    As long as nationalism in N. Ireland is dominated by SF and the SDLP, I can only see that nationalist vote in N. Ireland continuing to decline."

    http://sluggerotoole.com/2016/05/07...nout-suggests-its-time-for-a-serious-rethink/
     
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  5. SwordOfStCatherine

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    Sinn Fein are not though a Socialist Party, there is nothing in their programme about bringing the means of production and exchange under public ownership, what they want if a more cuddly version of capitalism which is something as Syriza found out is becoming increasingly under the circumstances that coming into being in the EU and if the TTIP comes about into full operation than very probably that whole project would be out the window.

    However he is on to something here; I have had massive arguments with Nordie Shinners over whether the Republic of Ireland is a "failed state". Of course the notion that it is is utterly absurd. It has problems, EVERY country has them, that is just part of life, but its still one of the nicest places to live in Western Europe in very many ways. Albania no mind Somalia it is not. Than they wildly go on about how it is one of the most corrupt places to live on the planet- yeah sometimes people can have a relaxed attitudes towards rules but that is not the same thing as the real and frightening levels of corruption you see in places like Nigeria and the Ukraine. Anyway do you really want to live somewhere where people are completely precious about rules? Of course the Laptop Loyal love this because it confirms their prejudices but they say to them that they should want a united Ireland because us Nordies have a moral duty to rescue to the Southerners from themselves; Im afraid such goings on from the Shinners will only put off the most open minded Ulster Unionist from a the idea of a united Ireland.
     
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    About a quarter of a million of our own people have emigrated since 2008 and we have a birth rate below replacement. Our own people are being replaced by immigrants. That is the ultimate failed state as far as I'm concerned. That's not to say that there aren't other countries in the same condition, but they are failed states too. But, given that PSF wants abortion and mass immigration, I don't suppose that this is what they mean by failed state. Probably they just mean they are not in government in the south. If they were, the south would no longer be a failed state - in their minds.
     
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    Yes there are problems coming fast down the line because a treasonous elite wants to replace the historic Irish nation with a rootless bio-mass. However the ROI is in a lot healthier condition over all than the UK is for example.
     
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    All those $2,000 a Head Dinner Speeches aren't about Socialism, that's for sure & they only produced a 36% Nationalist Vote in the North.

    After those wasted Decades of Adams yappin in New York, Nationalism is up a derisory 4% on the 1921 Election. :confused:

    Claiming to be "Socialist" when you are not Socialist hurts 2 ways.
     
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    I think the issue of abortion is massively more important to Ulster Catholics than anything to do with the Gayz.

    I saw on Politics.ie today a liberal (but not the totally creepy Zappone type) Catholic from a hardcore Republican background in Tyrone who by her own admission was pretty hardcore herself during the Troubles say that the reason she and her massive as she put it family have stopped voting is because of the stance that the Shinners have forced on all their MLAs and TDs.

    Outside of the Republic of Ireland Catholic countries are generally far more immune to Culturally Nihilist Gaystapo Political Correctness than Protestant ones are in general. Something that is a bit strange is the way that the whole PC craze in contemporary Great Britain has more effected the CNR community than the PUL one.
     
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    I think the issue of abortion is massively more important to Ulster Catholics than anything to do with the Gayz.

    I saw on Politics.ie today a liberal (but not the totally creepy Zappone type) Catholic from a hardcore Republican background in Tyrone who by her own admission was pretty hardcore herself during the Troubles say that the reason she and her massive as she put it family have stopped voting is because of the stance that the Shinners have forced on all their MLAs and TDs.

    Outside of the Republic of Ireland Catholic countries are generally far more immune to Culturally Nihilist Gaystapo Political Correctness than Protestant ones are in general. Something that is a bit strange is the way that the whole PC craze in contemporary Great Britain has more effected the CNR community than the PUL one.
     
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    We heard ya the 1st Time :)
     
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    The reason I wont vote for the Shinners again is that called on the State in the Republic of Ireland to suppress opposition to the Transexualist agenda when even people who write for The Guardian oppose it.

    Given how their policy of not allowing a free vote on abortion related issues is harming them seriously in Northern Ireland I can only presume that have been bribed to take this stance.

    I critique Protestantism in general and Ulster Prods in particular all the time, just and rational criticism is fine, but the amount of bigoted and nasty sectarianism poured out by the Libtards in Ireland against the Mc Arthurs/Ashers has been sickening to me. Coco needs to catch himself on to the fact that Ghey is not the new Tea Egg;

     
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    Anne Brolly says she left Sinn Fein over party's stance on abortion


    A high-profile member of Sinn Féin in Co Derry has revealed she left the party over its stance on abortion.
    Former Limavady mayor Anne Brolly is a leading figure in a new pressure group formed by republicans to oppose abortion on both sides of the border.
    Cherish All The Children Equally had its first meeting in the north at the weekend.
    Mrs Brolly's husband Francie, a former assembly member, said he also contemplated walking away from Sinn Féin but has "decided to stay in and try to change it".

    Full story

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    Good luck argun' against all that NGO funny money floating around Psf, Francie.
     
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    This is old Jacobite song is apt as regards the Shinners;

    "We were bought and sold for Soros gold, what a parcel of rouges in a nation..."

     
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    I wonder if you had any thoughts on the coming election in the North, following the RHI scandal, does SF's walking out, MMG's resignation, mean that Sf have rediscovered it's bite and will be rewarded with an electoral bounce, or if the malaise among Nationalism is too firmly entrenched?
     
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