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The Syraqi Civil War thread

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One of my favourite threads on that Other Site was the discussion on the ongoing civil war taking place in Syria and Iraq, sometimes called Syraq, a region torn apart by an overlapping conflict that has blurred the borders of both sides and seen the emergence of the terror group ISIS, or Islamic State, in the region. Right now this is the state of play in the North Arabian area, controlled by a wide variety of warring factions:

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The intervention of Russia back in September has further complicated efforts to bring about peace, and the large increase in refugee flows to Europe since the start of Russia's bombing campaign isn't exactly coincidental either.

The latest activities by Russia.......

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[*]Syrian regime ground offensives against rebels in the southern countryside of Aleppo and against ISIS near the besieged Kuweires Airbase east of Aleppo City largely stalled following ISIS's offensive against the regime-held town of Safira in the southeastern Aleppo countryside on October 26.

[*]Russian airstrikes, however, largely concentrated in rebel-held areas south of Aleppo City and within the city center according to local activist reporting.

[*]Iranian state news claimed that Russian warplanes targeted ISIS and Syrian al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra near the Syrian Golan Heights on October 28. Local reporting in Syria has not yet substantiated these claims. ISW therefore does not assess these strikes with even low-confidence at this time.

[*]If confirmed, Russian airstrikes in southern Syria could be a sign of Russian cooperation with Israel and Jordan after both countries established independent coordination “mechanisms” with Russia on September 21 and October 23, respectively.

[*]The strikes could alternatively represent an escalation against Syria’s southern neighbors if not coordinated with Amman and Tel Aviv.
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http://iswresearch.blogspot.ie/2015/10/russian-airstrikes-in-syria-september_28.html

This conflict still has a long road to travel before being resolved.
 
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America "putting boots on the ground". Don't think these are the first , maybe the first they'll admit too. The Americans don't like Russia stealing the march on them, but the Russian public will take deaths easier I feel than the American people of their citizens.

http://www.thejournal.ie/us-ground-troops-syria-2418074-Oct2015/
 

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Geopolitics and the War in Syria

This is a copy and paste of my thread about geopolitics and the war in Syria

A fascinating article I came across, written by a German academic. It discusses the classic theories of geopolitics and how they now impact on the war in Syria.

It was Sir Halford Mackinder who developed the "Heartland Theory". This theory argued that whoever controlled Eastern Europe could control the "Heartland" of Eurasia. The Heartland is a vast area from the Volga to the Yangtze river in China and from Tibet to the Arctic. And controlling this area could lead to world domination.

Mackinder's student, the American Nicholas Spykman, later modified Mackinder's theory to argue that it was the "Rimland" of Eurasia, not the Heartland, that was the most decisive zone. The Rimland runs from Scandinavia through the centre of Eastern Europe down into the Middle East and then along the shores of the Indian Ocean and on to Indo-China and the coast of China. Spykman argued that Maritime powers such as America could dominate this "Rimland" area. It is this "Rimland" area that has seen many American interventions since the beginning of the Cold War.

Now Russia and its allies have directly challenged America in the Rimland.
It appears that China and Russia perceive themselves in a common position of co-dominance over the South Asian realm, and their fierce ‘no’ against an intervention by western powers in Syria can well be seen in the sense of a political-international-legal doctrine of an, at least hinted at, ban on interventions by powers from outside the region, directed chiefly at America.
 
An actual victory by Russia and its allies in Syria could have the severest consequences for America's prestige and freedom of action in the "Rimland". It looks like the Syrian war may continue and is already becoming a proxxy war between Russia and America.

Washington cannot, simply in their very own interest, afford to leave these Eurasian Rim Land regions to their fate,
let alone to the two Asian world powers.
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/whoever-controls-eurasia-controls-world/ri10549
 
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Tigerben said:
America "putting boots on the ground". Don't think these are the first , maybe the first they'll admit too. The Americans don't like Russia stealing the march on them, but the Russian public will take deaths easier I feel than the American people of their citizens.

http://www.thejournal.ie/us-ground-troops-syria-2418074-Oct2015/
There has been US Special Forces on the ground in Syria for some time now. This is merely formal confirmation of what many knew for quite a while. They should establish permanent bases in Rojava, their use not limited to just Special Forces but also Allied Air Forces.
 
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Iraq Control of Terrain Map: October 30, 2015

Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) and "Popular Mobilization" recaptured the Baiji Oil Refinery on October 21 following operations to recapture Baiji city on October 14. Prime Minister Haidar al-Abadi then visited Baiji city on October 23, marking the city's full recapture. ISW is thus upgrading Baiji and the Baiji Oil Refinery from Contested to ISF-held locations. PUK Peshmerga have also maintained limited gains in villages in southern Kirkuk near Taza and Daquq as part of anti-ISIS operations that began on September 12. ISIS has not launched substantive counter-attacks against the Peshmerga in these areas, and they remain under Peshmerga control. ISW has thus expanded the Populated areas under PUK Peshmerga control in southern Kirkuk.
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Good work by coalition supported Iraqi and Pesh forces.
 
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RE: Geopolitics and the War in Syria

Sorry about the vanishing threads there. Was trying out my mod powers and making a mess of it.

All sorted now - we have a single merged Syria thread.
 

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Ren84 said:
There has been US Special Forces on the ground in Syria for some time now. This is merely formal confirmation of what many knew for quite a while. They should establish permanent bases in Rojava, their use not limited to just Special Forces but also Allied Air Forces.
To do what exactly?
50 special forces and 4 moderate, trained rebels?
It's like a Woody Allen movie.
Suppose this will cost another 500 million dollars.
 
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El Chaval. said:
To do what exactly?
50 special forces and 4 moderate, trained rebels?
It's like a Woody Allen movie.
Suppose this will cost another 500 million dollars.
The US Special Forces are being stationed in Kurdish territory. You know, those rebels you DO like........supposedly.
 

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The FSA were supposedly armed with TOWs to fight ISIS.
To prevent proliferation, they were ordered to record every attack on video to keep account of usage.
Can anyone show me a single video of the FSA using a TOW on an ISIS target?
There are scores of videos online and not one of them attacking ISIS with a TOW.
 
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El Chaval. said:
The FSA were supposedly armed with TOWs to fight ISIS.
To prevent proliferation, they were ordered to record every attack on video to keep account of usage.
Can anyone show me a single video of the FSA using a TOW on an ISIS target?
There are scores of videos online and not one of them attacking ISIS with a TOW.
Russia claims to be fighting ISIS and yet the group continues to capture more and more territory. Maybe if the Russians and Assadists weren't too busy bombing schools and hospitals Islamic State wouldn't be so successful ....

Talks over the Syrian conflict took place place as at least 89 people, including 17 children, were killed in attacks on Syrian opposition strongholds near Damascus and in the country's north, according to a British-based monitoring group.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said regime rocket fire on the rebel-controlled town of Douma left 57 people dead, among them five children.

A further 32 civilians, including 12 children, were killed in air strikes believed to have been carried out by regime or Russian warplanes on opposition-held areas of Aleppo city, the Observatory said.
www.rte.ie/news/2015/1030/738406-syria-vienna-talks/

Murdering Russian bastards!
 

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You'd think after 15 months of western "bombardment" there'd be no ISIS targets left for Russia to hit....but Lordy-lordy, there's still hundreds that the U.S, France and the UK missed.
Amazing how many ammo dumps, training camps and HQ's were still standing after 15 months of a multi-billion dollar bombing campaign. Some of them right on NATOs border (Turkey)
 
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El Chaval. said:
You'd think after 15 months of western "bombardment" there'd be no ISIS targets left for Russia to hit....but Lordy-lordy, there's still hundreds that the U.S, France and the UK missed.
Amazing how many ammo dumps, training camps and HQ's were still standing after 15 months of a multi-billion dollar bombing campaign. Some of them right on NATOs border (Turkey)
Well Russia were in Afghanistan for 8 years and never managed to defeat the Mujahadeen, despite relentless bombings, scorched earth tactics, wiping out entire towns and villages to deny them a base to operate from, etc. Funny that......
 
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Russian Airstrikes in Syria: September 30 - October 30, 2015

The Russian campaign against not-ISIS continues.

The Russian air campaign in Syria reportedly expanded into the southern province of Dera’a one month after Russian airstrikes in Syria commenced. Credible local sources reported that Russian warplanes conducted overnight strikes near Tel al-Harra and other nearby villages east of the Golan Heights in Dera’a Province on October 28. Tel al-Harra is the location of a Russian signals intelligence facility, which was seized by rebels in October 2014. These airstrikes follow reports that the Syrian regime and Hezbollah reinforcements arrived in northwestern Dera’a Province on October 27. The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) did not release official airstrike reports for October 29-30. However, credible local activist sources continued to report instances of Russian airstrikes throughout Dera’a, Damascus, Homs, Idlib, and Aleppo. Russian airstrikes largely concentrated around rebel-held areas in the northern Homs countryside and within Aleppo City.
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http://iswresearch.blogspot.ie/2015/10/russian-airstrikes-in-syria-september_31.html
 
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ISIS continue their offensive in Syria. So much for the claims of them being on the run because of Russian bombing.

Islamic State (IS) fighters have reportedly captured the Syrian town of Maheen, in central Homs Province, from government forces.

They launched the offensive with two suicide car blasts late on Saturday, the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights says.

Clashes were also taking place in nearby Sadad, a mostly-Christian town.

The latest development comes amid air campaigns in Syria by Russia and a US-led coalition.

Islamic State has been expanding from its mainly northern and eastern strongholds towards Homs in central Syria in recent months. The group overran the town of Tadmur - home to the ancient ruins of Palmyra - in May, and later took al-Qaryatain town in August.

The latest offensive on Maheen and Sadad brings IS to within 20km (13 miles) of the main road that links the Syrian capital Damascus to Homs and other cities further north.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34693670
 

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Americans by and large are cheering for Putin and the quicker he kills every terrorist in Syria the better. Only nut jobs like John McCane and Hillary Clinton wants anything to do with the place.
 

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Get real. The reality is that Putin has achieved more in 14 days than the best military has done in 14 years. People with dead and injured kids are shell shocked.. They are feeling betrayed