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The types of Irish non-Jewish people who strongly support Zionism?

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Don't know if this is the right thread for this but interesting article in the link above

Been following a few 'alt right' Jewish guys on Twitter recently they seem to me to have a good grasp of what's happening lately.

They seem to be promoting the idea of (((Irish))) leftist subversion a lot...don't know what to make of that!

AltRabbi (@AltRabinowitz) on Twitter
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Don't know if this is the right thread for this but interesting article in the link above

Been following a few 'alt right' Jewish guys on Twitter recently they seem to me to have a good grasp of what's happening lately.

They seem to be promoting the idea of (((Irish))) leftist subversion a lot...don't know what to make of that!

AltRabbi (@AltRabinowitz) on Twitter
mobile.twitter.com/The_Rebbe_
Interesting. Luke Ford who is an Alt-Rightist and a convert to Orthodox Rabbinic Judaism is pretty anti-Irish (and anti-Catholic). "Reactionary Jew" who was interviewed by Red Ice and Tara Mc Carthy got pressured by some Jewish organization to drop his involvement in the Alt-Right (Tara and Red Ice went along with this and removed the interviews). The Jewish community in Ireland also seems much more extreme in general than the one in the UK.
 
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Interesting. Luke Ford who is an Alt-Rightist and a convert to Orthodox Rabbinic Judaism is pretty anti-Irish (and anti-Catholic). "Reactionary Jew" who was interviewed by Red Ice and Tara Mc Carthy got pressured by some Jewish organization to drop his involvement in the Alt-Right (Tara and Red Ice went along with this and removed the interviews). The Jewish community in Ireland also seems much more extreme in general than the one in the UK.
From a Jewish historical perspective I can understand the anti Catholicism but don't quite understand the anti Irishness?

The twitter guys seem to be if anything resentful that Irish have been accepted as white or full blooded Americans whatever you want to call it
 

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Interesting. Luke Ford who is an Alt-Rightist and a convert to Orthodox Rabbinic Judaism is pretty anti-Irish (and anti-Catholic). "Reactionary Jew" who was interviewed by Red Ice and Tara Mc Carthy got pressured by some Jewish organization to drop his involvement in the Alt-Right (Tara and Red Ice went along with this and removed the interviews). The Jewish community in Ireland also seems much more extreme in general than the one in the UK.
More rhetoric
How are the Jewish community more extreme, where's the evidence
I could understand how marganilised they feel given the rantings of the noisy Irish left
 

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Indeed. And as a great teacher, he was also continuously learning.

Here is what he said a number of years after he said the above, a much better representation of his views:

"... As a movement we recognise the legitimacy of Palestinian nationalism just as we recognise the legitimacy of Zionism as a Jewish nationalism. We insist on the right of the state of Israel to exist within secure borders, but with equal vigour support the Palestinian right to national self-determination. We are gratified to see that new possibilities of resolving the issue through negotiation have arisen since the election of a new government in Israel. We would wish to encourage that process, and if we have the opportunity, to assist..." (Nelson Mandela, 1993)

(Now, perhaps, if he was still alive, I wonder would he have come to understand better what is in fact the primary impediment to Palestinian nationalism.)

The fact that Palestine is invaded and occupied by aliens?
 

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Leave Tadhg alone
He tends to flap when he's angry and stops making sense he's a talking head.
Does Hasbara teach you these little tropes in your Tel Aviv student dorm? You really should have read that article on why Hasbara propaganda is to terrible - and so terribly ineffective.
 

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Do you not know what a sect is? Are the Neturai Karta not a subdivision, a dissenting clique of a larger religious group?
Not at all. The Rabbis of Naturei Karta are a political grouping. Naturei Carta is not a new form of Judaism or anything like that. Your attempt to portray any Jew that opposes Zionism as not really Jewish is anti-Semitism at its most vicious.
 
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Not at all. The Rabbis of Naturei Karta are a political grouping. Naturei Carta is not a new form of Judaism or anything like that. Your attempt to portray any Jew that opposes Zionism as not really Jewish is anti-Semitism at its most vicious.
Their massianic "political beliefs" stem entirely from their underlying religious beliefs that because of their sins, the Jewish people went into exile from Israel and that the restoration of Israel to the Jews should only happen with the coming of the Messiah, not by any other means. They are a small group that holds these particular religious beliefs that clearly diverge from any mainstream of Jewish religious belief.
 
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I'd say tens of thousands of US and German armed and funded troops all over their land is a bigger obstacle.
The Palestinians have been offered their own state again and again.

In July 2000 at Camp David; in the Clinton Parameters six months later; and in the Olmert offer at the end of the one-year Annapolis Process in 2008.

Between 2000 and 1948, there were multiple efforts to give the Palestinian Arabs their own state.

Even before 1948 - in 1936-1937, 1938, and 1947 the Palestinian Arabs were offered their own state.

Each time, the Palestinians rejected a state on substantially all of the West Bank and Gaza with a capital in Jerusalem.

It is evident to even the most obdurate moron that the Arab countries in the region who effectively use the Palestinian people as pawns ensured they never got their own state.
 

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Their massianic "political beliefs" stem entirely from their underlying religious beliefs that because of their sins, the Jewish people went into exile from Israel and that the restoration of Israel to the Jews should only happen with the coming of the Messiah, not by any other means. They are a small group that holds these particular religious beliefs that clearly diverge from any mainstream of Jewish religious belief.

Not at all. This is the belief of all religious Jews. Of course, the Jews that left Palestine left of their own accord to earn big money in the cities of the Roman empire. But I can see how religious Jews would interpret this deserting of Palestine as a kind of insanity put on them by God as a punishment.
 

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The Palestinians have been offered their own state again and again.

In July 2000 at Camp David; in the Clinton Parameters six months later; and in the Olmert offer at the end of the one-year Annapolis Process in 2008.

Between 2000 and 1948, there were multiple efforts to give the Palestinian Arabs their own state.

Even before 1948 - in 1936-1937, 1938, and 1947 the Palestinian Arabs were offered their own state.

Each time, the Palestinians rejected a state on substantially all of the West Bank and Gaza with a capital in Jerusalem.

It is evident to even the most obdurate moron that the Arab countries in the region who effectively use the Palestinian people as pawns ensured they never got their own state.

Given that the the settler population in Palestine is in demographic collapse, I think any "peace process" designed in the 1970s has no validity now at all. Time is on the side of the Palestinians. All they have to do is keep having children. The Zionists have all but lost courage and lost faith in their little colonial delusion. They have given up having children and very few Zionists are coming now from Europe and the USA. 40% of Israelis are already thinking of leaving the sinking Zionist ship. Give it 40 or 50 years and this will all be over. Any forward thinking Jew should be making common cause with his fellow Palestinians so that the future Palestine will be a place where Jews can live.
 
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Not at all. This is the belief of all religious Jews. Of course, the Jews that left Palestine left of their own accord to earn big money in the cities of the Roman empire. But I can see how religious Jews would interpret this deserting of Palestine as a kind of insanity put on them by God as a punishment.
It is in its eye.

Even ultra orthodox anti-Zionist Jews excoriate them. e.g. Orthodox Jewish daily Hamodia calls Neturei Karta delegates to conference 'deranged men in Jewish garb.'

But it is only people like you, you whose views are well known, who hold the Neturai Karta up. You join the long list of morons who so predictably, so stupidly, do so.

"... If you have a social media presence, and use it to defend Israel’s right to exist, sooner or later, extreme “anti-Zionists” present you with the picture. There’s actually more than one picture, as you can see - but they all show the same thing – a group of men (it is always men) dressed in strictly orthodox Jewish garb, holding anti-Zionist signs. The signs usually say the same thing – “Judaism rejects Zionism”, or “Jews worldwide condemn Israel. These pictures are eagerly shared by many “anti-Zionists” on social media, often with a message along the following lines – “These are the REAL Jews, and they oppose Israel”. These pictures are usually tweeted at Jews who have the temerity to believe in the concept of a state for the Jewish people. However, the men holding these signs all belong to a sect called the “Neturei Karta”, a tiny sect, far from reflective of the attitudes of the Jewish community at large..."

You're actually only a tiny step up in the food chain from the likes of Rasherhash. I actually thought you might have a certain potential as a kind of professional revolutionary if you were able to grow up a bit. But you're actually just an unmitigated idiot, I was wrong to give you some benefit of the doubt.
 

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It is in its eye.

Even ultra orthodox anti-Zionist Jews excoriate them. e.g. Orthodox Jewish daily Hamodia calls Neturei Karta delegates to conference 'deranged men in Jewish garb.'

But it is only people like you, you whose views are well known, who hold the Neturai Karta up. You join the long list of morons who so predictably, so stupidly, do so.

"... If you have a social media presence, and use it to defend Israel’s right to exist, sooner or later, extreme “anti-Zionists” present you with the picture. There’s actually more than one picture, as you can see - but they all show the same thing – a group of men (it is always men) dressed in strictly orthodox Jewish garb, holding anti-Zionist signs. The signs usually say the same thing – “Judaism rejects Zionism”, or “Jews worldwide condemn Israel. These pictures are eagerly shared by many “anti-Zionists” on social media, often with a message along the following lines – “These are the REAL Jews, and they oppose Israel”. These pictures are usually tweeted at Jews who have the temerity to believe in the concept of a state for the Jewish people. However, the men holding these signs all belong to a sect called the “Neturei Karta”, a tiny sect, far from reflective of the attitudes of the Jewish community at large..."

You're actually only a tiny step up in the food chain from the likes of Rasherhash. I actually thought you might have a certain potential as a kind of professional revolutionary if you were able to grow up a bit. But you're actually just an unmitigated idiot, I was wrong to give you some benefit of the doubt.

I see you're being rather dishonest there again, roc. These Satmars criticized Rabbi Weiss and his fellow Rabbis for attending a supposed "Holocaust Denial" conference - not for any theological reasons. But it's clear that these Satmars were misinformed as to the nature of the conference. If it had been a Holocaust Denial conference, Rabbi Weiss would not have attended it. After all, most of his own family died in Auschwitz and other camps. It would be difficult for him to deny that happened. Of course, the reality is that the conference studied the Holocaust and how it is being used and abused by the Zionist Movement. There was no attempt to deny that it happened.
 
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... If it had been a Holocaust Denial conference, Rabbi Weiss would not have attended it. After all, most of his own family died in Auschwitz and other camps. It would be difficult for him to deny that happened. Of course, the reality is that the conference studied the Holocaust and how it is being used and abused by the Zionist Movement. There was no attempt to deny that it happened.
Here is an interview on Iranian TV leading up to one year's conference, that clearly indicates the conference programme, if it wasn't evident enough from the other pond-life who attend it. Holocaust Denial Discussed on Iranian TV: There Were No Gas Chambers; You Cannot Squeeze 2,000 Jews into 100 Square Meters - Latest News - The "New Voice for pro-jewish and pro-Israel points of view"

The following excerpts are from a TV debate on Holocaust denial, which aired on Al-Alam TV on May 5, 2010.

Interviewer: It is a myth that has almost become a conviction. If it really happened, why was it restricted to one group alone? The questions are: Did the Holocaust really take place? Did the gas chambers indeed consume the Jews, but nobody else? Did gas chambers even exist? Most importantly, why do some people doubt this? Don’t historians have the right to reexamine the so-called taboos?
[...]
Ali Hatar (Jordanian Association against Zionism and Racism): Did it or did it not happen? That is the question. To this day, those who claim that [the Holocaust] did take place have been unable to provide any evidence whatsoever to that effect.
Interviewer: None whatsoever?
Ali Hatar: No evidence whatsoever. Of course, some political analyses and some...
Interviewer: That’s another matter.
Ali Hatar: They often say: “It happened – what proof do you want?” That’s another matter. But to bring a single piece of evidence...
Interviewer: They didn’t.
Ali Hatar: We are not saying that it didn’t happen. We are saying: Give us some evidence. They have not managed to bring a shred of evidence. I challenge them to do so. Therefore, they have prevented historical revisionists from investigating this. Their first opponents were the Americans. They fired them from their positions and kicked them out of their jobs. We will go over their names later. They prevented them from investigating.
[...]
Mahdi Al-Afifi (Democratic Party activist, New York): I’m sure that my colleague has access to the Internet. He should check out the thousands of booklets written about the Holocaust.
[...]
Ali Hatar: This is a Red Cross report from 1949. The Red Cross is an international institution. This is a Red Cross report – an international institution. It is from 1949, and it is about the five years of war. Its committees operated throughout Europe. This report refutes the claim that anyone was killed in these camps, during the so-called Holocaust. It also mentions the self-management [of the camps] by the Jews. These are not my words. I didn’t write the report. It is a report of the ICRC – the Red Cross.
[...]
Mahdi Al-Afifi: This makes a mockery of people’s intelligence. The Holocaust took place, and our attempts to use information that is not...
Interviewer: Okay, Dr. Mahdi Al-Afifi...
Mahdi Al-Afifi: ...does not help the Arabs or the Muslims.
[...]
Mahdi Al-Afifi: This just causes pointless hatred.
Ali Hatar: We seek the truth, and only then will we consider our position. We seek the truth because this hatred that you are talking about is what caused Gaza. It affects us. The US gives Israel 11 billion dollars, and Germany gives it 3 billion dollars annually. That is how the Holocaust affects us. They planted Israel in our midst. That is the result of the Holocaust. What hatred are you talking about?
[...]
He talks about thousands of books. This is the same kind of exaggeration as the figure “six million.” There are no “thousands” of books written about the Holocaust. There might be a single book claiming that the [Holocaust] took place – Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers. This book is extremely idiotic, scientifically speaking. There are also a few articles, most of which I have read, but the high quality of the doubters’ research is notable.
Interviewer: Why did you call that book “idiotic”?
Ali Hatar: Because it deals with technical issues. When we were children, we used to ask each other a riddle: “How do you put an elephant into a fridge in three moves?” The answer was: “You open the door, put in the elephant, then close the door.” That book uses the same logic – you bring 2,000 [Jews], open the door, put them inside, you close the door, and you burn them. How did they get there? How did you transport them?
Interviewer: There’s just one book, not thousands, as Dr. Mahdi Al-Afifi claims?
Ali Hatar: One book. Let me mention it again, so he can look for it – The Operation and Technique of the Gas Chambers. Where did you come up with the figure of thousands, when there’s only one book?

...

i.e. It's all the idiotic Rasherhash sound-bites, etc, that unmistakably are focused on trying to deny the Holocaust.
 

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Here is an interview on Iranian TV leading up to one year's conference, that clearly indicates the conference programme, if it wasn't evident enough from the other pond-life who attend it. Holocaust Denial Discussed on Iranian TV: There Were No Gas Chambers; You Cannot Squeeze 2,000 Jews into 100 Square Meters - Latest News - The "New Voice for pro-jewish and pro-Israel points of view"

The following excerpts are from a TV debate on Holocaust denial, which aired on Al-Alam TV on May 5, 2010.

Interviewer: It is a myth that has almost become a conviction. If it really happened, why was it restricted to one group alone? The questions are: Did the Holocaust really take place? Did the gas chambers indeed consume the Jews, but nobody else? Did gas chambers even exist? Most importantly, why do some people doubt this? Don’t historians have the right to reexamine the so-called taboos?
[...]
Ali Hatar (Jordanian Association against Zionism and Racism): Did it or did it not happen? That is the question. To this day, those who claim that [the Holocaust] did take place have been unable to provide any evidence whatsoever to that effect.
Interviewer: None whatsoever?
Ali Hatar: No evidence whatsoever. Of course, some political analyses and some...
Interviewer: That’s another matter.
Ali Hatar: They often say: “It happened – what proof do you want?” That’s another matter. But to bring a single piece of evidence...
Interviewer: They didn’t.
Ali Hatar: We are not saying that it didn’t happen. We are saying: Give us some evidence. They have not managed to bring a shred of evidence. I challenge them to do so. Therefore, they have prevented historical revisionists from investigating this. Their first opponents were the Americans. They fired them from their positions and kicked them out of their jobs. We will go over their names later. They prevented them from investigating.
[...]
Mahdi Al-Afifi (Democratic Party activist, New York): I’m sure that my colleague has access to the Internet. He should check out the thousands of booklets written about the Holocaust.
[...]
Ali Hatar: This is a Red Cross report from 1949. The Red Cross is an international institution. This is a Red Cross report – an international institution. It is from 1949, and it is about the five years of war. Its committees operated throughout Europe. This report refutes the claim that anyone was killed in these camps, during the so-called Holocaust. It also mentions the self-management [of the camps] by the Jews. These are not my words. I didn’t write the report. It is a report of the ICRC – the Red Cross.
[...]
Mahdi Al-Afifi: This makes a mockery of people’s intelligence. The Holocaust took place, and our attempts to use information that is not...
Interviewer: Okay, Dr. Mahdi Al-Afifi...
Mahdi Al-Afifi: ...does not help the Arabs or the Muslims.
[...]
Mahdi Al-Afifi: This just causes pointless hatred.
Ali Hatar: We seek the truth, and only then will we consider our position. We seek the truth because this hatred that you are talking about is what caused Gaza. It affects us. The US gives Israel 11 billion dollars, and Germany gives it 3 billion dollars annually. That is how the Holocaust affects us. They planted Israel in our midst. That is the result of the Holocaust. What hatred are you talking about?
[...]
He talks about thousands of books. This is the same kind of exaggeration as the figure “six million.” There are no “thousands” of books written about the Holocaust. There might be a single book claiming that the [Holocaust] took place – Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers. This book is extremely idiotic, scientifically speaking. There are also a few articles, most of which I have read, but the high quality of the doubters’ research is notable.
Interviewer: Why did you call that book “idiotic”?
Ali Hatar: Because it deals with technical issues. When we were children, we used to ask each other a riddle: “How do you put an elephant into a fridge in three moves?” The answer was: “You open the door, put in the elephant, then close the door.” That book uses the same logic – you bring 2,000 [Jews], open the door, put them inside, you close the door, and you burn them. How did they get there? How did you transport them?
Interviewer: There’s just one book, not thousands, as Dr. Mahdi Al-Afifi claims?
Ali Hatar: One book. Let me mention it again, so he can look for it – The Operation and Technique of the Gas Chambers. Where did you come up with the figure of thousands, when there’s only one book?

...

i.e. It's all the idiotic Rasherhash sound-bites, etc, that unmistakably are focused on trying to deny the Holocaust.

Sorry, but an interview on Press TV doesn't indicate the conference program. It indicates the opinion of this one fellow - and the other fellow being interviewed thinks he's silly. Why not give us the conference program itself?