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Where have all the (decent) republicans gone?

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It is apparent to most on this thread that the goalposts of Irish republanicism have radically shifted in recent decades. Perhaps the recent decision in Strabane by a nationalist controlled council to forbid the flying of the tricolour is the best shibboleth of this degeneration of Irish republicanism.

I am not an Irish republican. And I never have been. I'm not a doctrinaire republican. On this question I'd take the Michael Collins line, that the 'republic' was not the end all and be all. It was merely the tool we used for the real goal - the achievement of a Gaelic Ireland.

But this understanding has been muddied in the past 100 years. None more so than in the '90s with the advent of the GFA and the spiral downwards of republicanism. Today the Republican movement's political wing Sinn Fein is the exponent of mass immigration. It is itself a neo-plantationist and traitorous organisation. They've become any copy & paste left wing social justice party with a few trinkets of republicanism and nationalism rolled out as props to deceive a gullible base.

But where in the modern ireland do the decent republicans lie? Are there any left? Is there any faction of sizeable proportions within SF which seeks to re-capture the party from this liberal clique?

Smaller republican groups and splinters seem too wound up by minor bullshit and will not wake up and smell the coffee. That the real enemy Ireland faces today is the international capitalist clique instituting mass immigration.

Where have all the decent republicans gone?
 

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I used to say SF grassroots were ok, but the leadership is corrupt and controlled.
Now after so many years, I can't go on with this charade and can only conclude that if they (grassroots) are still in the party, then they too are corrupt.
No Republican in their right mind would still be in SF today if not for monetary gain or plain ignorance.

The smaller (dissident parties) aren't much better (I say as a former member) I was totally stunned at their decision to attack members of the public who opposed ISIS and the Islamification of Europe. That was merely posturing to mainstream media to an attempt appear relevant.
They think it's Cable Street in the 1930's when it's anything but.
They too seem to be adopting the populist, safe position of supporting Euro-leftist principles. Politically they are like the SNP or the Corbynistas.
i.e, Lip service to sovereignty, and rolling over to mass immigration and passive on the EU.

Most Republicans I know are disillusioned with all the parties. Most feel they wasted their adult lives.
 

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McGeough is a good-un. Hope he resurfaces in Irish political life.

Yes, a man of integrity.
Even when I was in SF, I always preferred to listen to Ruari O Bradaigh. and was more politically in agreement with him.
Unfortunately in my local area RSF had no presence.
I dont even recognise the modern SF and other parties.
They've all become SJW's.
The Basque "Nationalists" have gone the same by the way.
 
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Yes, a man of integrity.
Even when I was in SF, I always preferred to listen to Ruari O Bradaigh. and was more politically in agreement with him.
Unfortunately in my local area RSF had no presence.
I dont even recognise the modern SF and other parties.
They've all become SJW's.
The Basque "Nationalists" have gone the same by the way.
Adams and his ilk ruined the Republican movement. I think those who are still going along with it just don't want to wake up and face the uncomfortable truths. That all their sweat, toil and blood was for nothing. That all they poured into it, risking life and liberty, was only ever to materialise in order for Adams and co. to get themselves cushy jobs on behalf of the English regime and get their faces on the cover of TIME magazine.

The Irish are stubborn. If you've spent the past 40 years of your life struggling for the Republican movement, you will want to claim that it was worthwhile. Whenever I raise this to ordinary republicans in my own family they'll point to how well SF is doing in elections and such. They know in their hearts it wasn't what they worked hard for. And surely they must see that those who have inherited all their work are ingrates polluted with leftist bollix.

It was the real nationalists who were risking their lives fighting in the north while the traitorous faction which came to dominate were held up inside reading their Marx and Trotsky. And now in the modern SF it's truly the meek who have inherited the world. The intelligentsia who never struggled for anything, who were reared in grubby leftist politics and who don't know the worth of Ireland, they're the ones driving the party today. And for what...
 

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Unfortunately, the Republican Movement hasn't really been in the business of creating Gaelic consciousness for a very long time. The likes of Ó Brádaigh were born into it. They were the result of the brilliant work the IRB had done in the late 19th century to revive Gaelic Ireland and also the fact that the media was still small and weak in the early 20th and had not managed to utterly destroy the inherent Gaelic nature of most Irish people. I think the Tan War and the Free State War pretty much put an end to this work of cultural regeneration. The Republican Movement seemed to pretty much take for granted that that work was done. And armed struggle does take up so much of a movements resources that its difficult to do anything else. The result is that the Irish today are an undisciplined rabble who get their ideas not from the great heroes of our past but from Walt Disney.
 
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Running after the pink vote and all these deviant perverts is par for the course in UK plc for some time now. We have fuckwits elected in every political office.
In London, a real multicultural shithouse, the mayor is more worried about public toilet facilities for gender benders than dealing with gangs of foreign criminals who run amok.
The only thing the ruling elite understand is something that threatens their powerbase or vested interests. The last serious political violence here was the poll tax riots. The government didn't like the power of the mob and had to back down.
 

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Adams and his ilk ruined the Republican movement. I think those who are still going along with it just don't want to wake up and face the uncomfortable truths. That all their sweat, toil and blood was for nothing. That all they poured into it, risking life and liberty, was only ever to materialise in order for Adams and co. to get themselves cushy jobs on behalf of the English regime and get their faces on the cover of TIME magazine.

The Irish are stubborn. If you've spent the past 40 years of your life struggling for the Republican movement, you will want to claim that it was worthwhile. Whenever I raise this to ordinary republicans in my own family they'll point to how well SF is doing in elections and such. They know in their hearts it wasn't what they worked hard for. And surely they must see that those who have inherited all their work are ingrates polluted with leftist bollix.

It was the real nationalists who were risking their lives fighting in the north while the traitorous faction which came to dominate were held up inside reading their Marx and Trotsky. And now in the modern SF it's truly the meek who have inherited the world. The intelligentsia who never struggled for anything, who were reared in grubby leftist politics and who don't know the worth of Ireland, they're the ones driving the party today. And for what...

I very much doubt if Adams and McGuinness read much Marx or Trotsky. They've certainly never shown as sign of such reading. The are Clintonite \ Blairite Liberals, not Marxists.
 
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I find it hard to get inside the minds' of republicans. Because I wasn't there. I wasn't in Sinn Fein or in the republican movement. So I can't really understand how they genuinely feel about all this guff. To me it'a shocking that this has been allowed to happen to such a radical nationalist organisation. But as someone who wasn't there and who's just looking in, I find it difficult to understand the mindset and importantly to find the solution?

Is there any hope of the republican movmement being rescued?
 
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I very much doubt if Adams and McGuinness read much Marx or Trotsky. They've certainly never shown as sign of such reading. The are Clintonite \ Blairite Liberals, not Marxists.
Perhaps you're right. Adherence to Marxism at least requires principles and a formulated ideology. I don't think they had either. How else could they go along with this humiliation. Surely a more well read leader would've acted differently, whether they're versed in European fascism or Communism or just plain old eternal Gaelic Irish nationalism.
 

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I find it hard to get inside the minds' of republicans. Because I wasn't there. I wasn't in Sinn Fein or in the republican movement. So I can't really understand how they genuinely feel about all this guff. To me it'a shocking that this has been allowed to happen to such a radical nationalist organisation. But as someone who wasn't there and who's just looking in, I find it difficult to understand the mindset and importantly to find the solution?

Is there any hope of the republican movmement being rescued?

You have to bear in mind that nearly everyone who was in the Provisional Movement at the start of the 1990s have been expelled, or sidelined or just left themselves. Most of today's party are ceasefire soldiers who are more interested in homosexuality than Irish Nationalism.
 
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You have to bear in mind that nearly everyone who was in the Provisional Movement at the start of the 1990s have been expelled, or sidelined or just left themselves. Most of today's party are ceasefire soldiers who are more interested in homosexuality than Irish Nationalism.
If such a large section of the provisionals were expelled, then how did they not manage to oppose this expulsion. Either through an internal coup or a split. Was the will to fight just gone?
 

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Perhaps you're right. Adherence to Marxism at least requires principles and a formulated ideology. I don't think they had either. How else could they go along with this humiliation. Surely a more well read leader would've acted differently, whether they're versed in European fascism or Communism or just plain old eternal Gaelic Irish nationalism.

Yes, Ó Brádaigh was no Marxist either, but he was a genuine Socialist. His heart was with the working class and the small farmers in a real way - not so theoretical but based on a real love for those people. That organic understanding of Irish reality would never allow him to compromise with a Régime that's set up from the very beginning to torture, murder and rob those people - and I'm talking about the Régimes north and south.
 

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If such a large section of the provisionals were expelled, then how did they not manage to oppose this expulsion. Either through an internal coup or a split. Was the will to fight just gone?

Adams really only has one talent, and that's spotting potential rivals and removing them. First he sidelined Ó Brádaigh and the old guard from the 1950s Border Campaign. Then he sidelined - or arranged the death of - hardcore military men like Jim Lynagh, who was martyred at Loughgall along with his ASU. Jim Lynagh had actually studied Mao's theories on guerilla war and wanted to turn the armed struggle from being something just for media headlines into an actual military campaign with strategic military objectives. Of course, in 1987, when Adams was well on his way to cutting a deal with the Brits, Lynagh was someone that both Adams and the Brits had to be rid of. The next large group to be expelled were the members of the 32 County Sovereignty Committee. This was a committee set up inside PSF in 1997 to discuss the direction the party was going in. Adams knew that this could only be bad news for him and expelled the lot of them. And so it went on over the last 20 years. By the time Éirígí broke away it had really become pointless. Éirígí members had supported ending the armed struggle, surrendering the weapons, and going into Stormont. They left on the issue of policing - but if you've already surrendered militarily then of course you're going to have to accept the enemy's military and police structures. As I say, Adams is a political animal - but in the worst sense of the word. His enemies are inside his own party. He pays very little attention to the Brits or to the Irish nation. He's a sort of genius of playing one person against another and making sure that he will always stay on top of the shit pile.
 
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As some one who was not allowed to hear what Mr Adams had to say up until the early 90's (he was censored here in UK plc and you had some BBC wanker give a faux narrative of his actual dialogue) I think he deserves a fucking meddle, having to put up with cunts like the Paisleys and now that awful fucking bullfrog Arlene Hun. OK, it appears he has now sold out to poofery, but cut the poor cunt a bit of slack. Same goes for the late Martin McMurder.