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'Why I'm happy I gave birth to my rapist's baby' - Brave woman on her unimaginable choice

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So the rapist would force the victim to submit to sex - and you would then force her to submit to abortion?
Most women don't actually want to have a rapists baby so most would be grateful for this law and a simple timely preventative solution.
The outliers, like this lady need to ask a few serious questions of themselves IMHO.
They are essentially rewarding rapists for raping them.

I do not consider the MOP as an abortion. More a prevention.
An abortion is qualitatively different to taking the MOP.

There may not even be a zygote formed in many cases you would take the MOP
 
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No you don't you faker. What did you have for dinner?

The difference between us "sonny boy" is that I am more consistent in my respect for actual living beings, both human and non human, than you are. I believe in not torturing or killing living beings unnecessarily nor getting proxies to torture and kill them for me.

You however believe in allowing this to be done in your name by proxy when it suits you then at the other extreme, in zooming in and getting on your high horse over a fucking clump of cells.

I am not the odd one here. Your cognitive dissonance and your insistence on defending the indefensible in the face of the hard evidence is what is really odd here.

Much easier to diss the "wierdo" than to take a hard look
at your own contradictory value system though isn't it?
Re: your edit...

Save the formulaic reactions, I’m not dismissing you as a weirdo, I’m dismissing you as delusional. Or maybe you just haven’t lived long enough to think it all through.

I respect all life, which doesn’t mean I don’t know that some of them will have to end in order to sustain some of the others.

All the cruelty stuff you’re yabbering on about is just formulaic rubbish.
 

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Settle down. I apologise for my misunderstanding there as I'm trying to complete a couple of lengthy posts on a couple of subjects and I prefer to post briefly these days. So misunderstandings may arise.

I don't believe that people's behaviour or disposition is predetermined by their genetics. It's plausible it may influence behaviour but good character, upbringing and sheer will can overcome any problems they may inherit. And they may inherit nothing of the disposition of the father. And I've met those of that type. It's all very arbitrary.

A rapist looks for sexual gratification first and foremost and a child obstructs that. The rapist may equally be satisfied with two victims instead of one. But on the off-chance the rapist feels himself "rewarded" than an information blackout can be imposed around him and he need not know of the child.

I would "reward" the rapist. And the reward I have in mind for him is castration and you betchya he ain't gonna to be bothered about anything other than his missing member and any hypotehtrhical "Darwinian brownie points" won will fly back of right out the window with that kind of "reward".

So there's plenty of creative solutions which doesn't involve adding an unnecessary dead body to the rapists tally of victims.
I believe it is a combination of both nature and nurture. But in the case of my proposed law, this is somewhat irrelevant.

How very dramatic. But there will be no "dead bodies" if the MOP is compulsory after rape.

Whether you castrate the rapist or not (which I am not in favour of for obvious reasons. Do you want to give your fascist government the power to castrate people? And what about the innocent person accused of rape by a bunny boiler. Is mutilation of humans an ethical punishment? Do you want us to become Saudi Arabia minus the money? etc etc etc...), the fact that he has successfully reproduced his genes means he is a success in life since that's pretty much the entire purpose of life for living things. This amounts to rewarding rape whatever way you look at it, and IMHO it sends the wrong message to rapists.

Why should a rapist be rewarded for their crimes by having offspring and having it looked after by someone else
with no effort or inconvenience to them when this apparent reward for rape can easily be removed by the state with a simple compulsory pill the day after.
 
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Re: your edit...

Save the formulaic reactions, I’m not dismissing you as a weirdo, I’m dismissing you as delusional. Or maybe you just haven’t lived long enough to think it all through.

I respect all life, which doesn’t mean I don’t know that some of them will have to end in order to sustain some of the others.

All the cruelty stuff you’re yabbering on about is just formulaic rubbish.
Bollocks! Tell it to the chicken your proxies tortured and murdered for your lunch
when you could have easily eaten something else.

And check out all the footage of battery hens and industrial chicken farming
in case you are so blind that you don't realise the cruelty your proxies engage in in your name merely for profit.

You are a faker like most people in society.
 
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Tell it to the chicken your proxies tortured and murdered for your lunch
when you could have easily eaten something else.

And check out all the footage of battery hens and industrial chicken farming
in case you are so blind that you don't realise the cruelty your proxies engage in in your name.
Again with the mindless assumptions.

It’s like you just got to college and read Ishmael, then back home for Christmas and are sitting around the dinner table telling your family that they’re all evil for eating the turkey.
 

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In the case of rapists, I am talking about the morning after pill. Not abortion after 20 weeks which I am not in favour of.
You can't compare being forced to take the morning after pill after rape to a girl being 20 weeks pregnant and deciding to have an abortion.
Huge difference.

If a woman is raped then leaves it for 20 weeks before getting an abortion then she is an idiot,
and her position is very hard to justify ethically IMHO.

By making the MOP compulsory after rape then all grey areas are removed from the equation
after a rape. There will be no 20 week rapist baby abortions if it is the law and is compulsorily carried out by the doctor examining.

This thread is about the aftermath of rape not abortion per se. I am offering my simple logical solution to this narrow issue.

There are other threads dealing with the act of abortion itself. Please leave the issue of outlier cases of 20 week abortions to those.

But why force her to take the morning after pill if she doesn't want to? Will you not be creating a situation where women with strong religious views just don't report rape?
 
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But why force her to take the morning after pill if she doesn't want to? Will you not be creating a situation where women with strong religious views just don't report rape?
He seems to be working under the assumption that rapists only rape in order to have children. Other than the ritual type stuff during wars and conquests, I just don’t think that’s the case. It seems in modern society it’s more of a sexual thing than an issue of lineage. If anything, I’d speculate that compulsory morning after pills for victims would actually embolden them.
 

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Bollocks! Tell it to the chicken your proxies tortured and murdered for your lunch when you could have easily eaten something else.
But you said eating vegetables and fruit was evil. What the hell is left? Do grains have feelings as well because if they do we're phucked.
 

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But why force her to take the morning after pill if she doesn't want to? Will you not be creating a situation where women with strong religious views just don't report rape?
Why?

So as not to send the wrong message to rapists that rape is an activity that is often rewarded
by letting them win the genetic lottery. This is a matter of justice.

it's taking a pill with a glass of water FFS.
You make it sound like they are holding her down
and doing something horrible to her (this is what her rapist did)

The woman can easily go out and meet a nice boy/man and have a baby that way.
A good caring father who deserves to win the genetic lottery.

So why would she possibly want an absentee rapist baby??
 

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Whether you castrate the rapist or not (which I am not in favour of for obvious reasons. Do you want to give your fascist government the power to castrate people? And what about the innocent person accused of rape by a bunny boiler. Is mutilation of humans an ethical punishment? Do you want us to become Saudi Arabia minus the money? etc etc etc...), the fact that he has successfully reproduced his genes means he is a success in life since that's pretty much the entire purpose of life for living things. This amounts to rewarding rape whatever way you look at it, and IMHO it sends the wrong message to rapists.

Why should a rapist be rewarded for their crimes by having offspring and having it looked after by someone else
with no effort or inconvenience to them when this apparent reward for rape can easily be removed by the state with a simple compulsory pill the day after.
Lots of people have kids and are very palpable losers.

I'd sooner castrate the guilty than deliver a dead body of an innocent. We can castrate a rapist if he is identified as a serial rapist and several individuals in different locales can identify him. But anyway, we'll go with the information blackout then. Yes, we can interrupt things before conception occurs, anything after that I'm opposed. I'm opposed to force feeding people pills.

You aren't not "rewarding" rape any way you look at it, you are discouraging rape if an abuser lands with a baby that obstructs his ability to perpetuation his abuse.

I think it's bizarre to kill an innocent human on the grounds of some presumed passion or other of the abuser anyway.
 

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He seems to be working under the assumption that rapists only rape in order to have children. Other than the ritual type stuff during wars and conquests, I just don’t think that’s the case. It seems in modern society it’s more of a sexual thing than an issue of lineage. If anything, I’d speculate that compulsory morning after pills for victims would actually embolden them.
This deep and very fundamental drive to reproduce is always there on a deeper instinctual level in all living things,
whether humans choose to rationalise it away with a veneer of bullshit or not.

What do you think the actual purpose of intercourse is FFS.

The compulsory MOP helps the victim avoid complications from a rape when they themselves are likely in a bad state to make good decisions.
It would not embolden rapists. It just takes away any prospect of being rewarded by the reproduction of their genes in this foul manner.
A possibility that currently exists which IMHO sends the wrong message to potential rapists.
 

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Lots of people have kids and are very palpable losers.

I'd sooner castrate the guilty than deliver a dead body of an innocent. We can castrate a rapist if he is identified as a serial rapist and several individuals in different locales can identify him. But anyway, we'll go with the information blackout then. Yes, we can interrupt things before conception occurs, anything after that I'm opposed. I'm opposed to force feeding people pills.

You aren't not "rewarding" rape any way you look at it, you are discouraging rape if an abuser lands with a baby that obstructs his ability to perpetuation his abuse.

I think it's bizarre to kill an innocent human on the grounds of some presumed passion or other of the abuser anyway.
The MOP does not leave "dead bodies". Stop being so daft and melodramatic.
In many cases there would not even be a zygote formed never mind a dead body.

Are we reduced to the level of "every sperm is sacred now or something? :p

 

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Why?

So as not to send the wrong message to rapists that rape is an activity that is often rewarded
by letting them win the genetic lottery. This is a matter of justice.

it's taking a pill with a glass of water FFS.
You make it sound like they are holding her down
and doing something horrible to her (this is what her rapist did)

The woman can easily go out and meet a nice boy/man and have a baby that way.
A good caring father who deserves to win the genetic lottery.

So why would she possibly want an absentee rapist baby??

Obviously religious women will not report rape if they know they will be forced to do something which their religion says is a mortal sin, i.e. take the morning after pill.
 

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This deep and very fundamental drive to reproduce is always there on a deeper instinctual level in all living things,
whether humans choose to rationalise it away with a veneer of bullshit or not.

What do you think the actual purpose of intercourse is FFS.

The compulsory MOP helps the victim avoid complications from a rape when they themselves are likely in a bad state to make good decisions.
It would not embolden rapists. It just takes away any prospect of being rewarded by the reproduction of their genes in this foul manner.
A possibility that currently exists which IMHO sends the wrong message to potential rapists.
I think you're forgetting that rapists are generally perverts, and perverts get their kick out of defying and confounding nature. You may even get an increase in rape if these perverts know that the rape will always end in an abortion.
 
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This deep and very fundamental drive to reproduce is always there on a deeper instinctual level in all living things,
whether humans choose to rationalise it away with a veneer of bullshit or not.

What do you think the actual purpose of intercourse is FFS.

The compulsory MOP helps the victim avoid complications from a rape when they themselves are likely in a bad state to make good decisions.
It would not embolden rapists. It just takes away any prospect of being rewarded by the reproduction of their genes in this foul manner.
A possibility that currently exists which IMHO sends the wrong message to potential rapists.
You sound like some sort of deranged dictator tbh. Compulsory morning after pills for rape victims, while extolling your holier than thou respect for all living things?

It's bonkers stuff.
 

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The MOP does not leave "dead bodies". Stop being so daft and melodramatic.
In many cases there would not even be a zygote formed never mind a dead body.

Are we reduced to the level of "every sperm is sacred now or something? :p
I'm daft and melodramatic whereas force feeding rape victims strange pills because of some passion or other of the rapist is functional and normal I guess.

 

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You sound like some sort of deranged dictator tbh. Compulsory morning after pills for rape victims, while extolling your holier than thou respect for all living things?

It's bonkers stuff.
As opposed to your sort who proclaims respect for all life while stuffing body parts into your face
while posting on the internet that making a rape victim drink a glass of water and take a pill is equivalent to totalitarianism.

yeah fuck it. you're right. Lets virtue signal while joining in with the corporate for profit torture and slaughter of voiceless living beings and afterwards lets go out and find a beautiful woman and rape her then force her to have our baby. And fuck those evil fascist dictators that would force her to drink a glass of water and take a pill so her life would not be wrecked and rape would not be rewarded.

Jeez! Sometimes I really do wonder why I bother posting in these discussions.

The stupid....it burns!!! :eek:

 

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I think you're forgetting that rapists are generally perverts, and perverts get their kick out of defying and confounding nature. You may even get an increase in rape if these perverts know that the rape will always end in an abortion.
Where's your actual evidence to back up this crap theory you just plucked out of your arse Tadhg?? :p

Rape is a crime of violence and power rather than a sexual crime in most cases according to expert opinion

Sexual Assault Myths – Sexual Assault/Rape – For Survivors – Violence Awareness & Response Program – – Minnesota State University, Mankato

Myth: The primary motive for rape is impulsive sexual desire.

Fact: Studies show that the major motive for rape is power, not sex. Sex is used as a weapon to inflict pain, violence and humiliation. Most rapists appear to have normal personalities with an abnormal tendency to be aggressive and violent. Between 2/3 and 3/4 of sexual assaults are planned in advance.
 

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Where's your actual evidence to back up this crap theory you just plucked out of your arse Tadhg?? :p

Rape is a crime of violence and power rather than a sexual crime in most cases according to expert opinion

Sexual Assault Myths – Sexual Assault/Rape – For Survivors – Violence Awareness & Response Program – – Minnesota State University, Mankato
Using violence and power is very much part of perversion. The pervert tries to provoke the lacking "No" of the Father by upending the natural order. This is psychoanalytic speak for the pervert not having had a father to say No to him, and in later life trying to provoke that father's No into being.